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Wow. Um, here's another one of those things guys don't have to worry about.

26,675 2,340 September 1, 2010 at 06:51 AM
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Are all women who are put under general anesthesia in a hospital practiced on by students while unconscious?

All women in the OB/GYN department at most teaching hospitals and hospitals affiliated with a medical school are. If you're anesthetized and you're in the OB/GYN department, you probably have had students practice pelvic exams on you regardless of what you're in the hospital for - even if the procedure you need doesn't require a pelvic exam!

Additionally, while doctors don't go to other departments — such as general surgery patients, neurosurgery patients or cardiac surgery patients — if your surgeon is an OB/GYN, odds are there's going to be a team of hungry medical students waiting for you to fall asleep.



Can you explain what happens during these non-consensual pelvic exams?

They are usually "bi-digital" exams. This means students insert two fingers as deeply as they can into the vagina with one hand and use the other hand to feel around the outside of the abdomen for the ovaries. What they're trying to do is trap the ovaries between their two fingers and their hand and feel for the internal organs from the inside. Sometimes, speculums are also used in the exams.



What stops students from simply asking the patient for permission?

When I was a student and approached the chairperson of my department and said I was uncomfortable with this, and he said, "I don't see anything wrong with it." My response was, "If there's nothing wrong it, then you won't mind if I ask permission." He said I couldn't do that. He knew that women would be absolutely outraged at the thought, and so, no one would tell them anything.



So, how can a woman prevent non-consensual pelvic exams happening to her?

All you can do is ask and hope that your doctor will honor your request. Once you're asleep, however, you have no power. And what a powerless thing for women to know this goes on and think, "Well, I'm just going to have to trust my doctor."

What if you don't trust your doctor?

Women can write on their bikini line, "I do not give consent for medical students to practice pelvic exams on me" in marker. Then as soon as the clothes come off or the robe is lifted and all the medical students are getting on their latex gloves they can see that message. And that will stop them. I was inspired to think up this tip because of patient advocates like Bernie Siegel, M.D., who recommend that patients use a magic marker to write "Wrong leg" or "Wrong arm" on their healthy body parts to prevent them their doctor from performing surgery on the wrong limb - a common mistake.
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09-01-2010 at 06:58 AM.
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that's messed up.
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09-01-2010 at 06:58 AM.
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Well I have had 2 surgeries for OBGYN related things in the past year, so I am assuming that I had this happen to me, as it was at a teaching hospital and my doctor is (well was) the head of that department. To be honest, it doesn't bother me. Pelvic exams are no big deal and if it helps the student learn, well then that is fine. They are already doing stuff while I am asleep anyway, why not have that opportunity to learn?
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09-01-2010 at 06:59 AM.
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I'm going to write on my bikini line DO YOUR WORST
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Roland Deschain
09-01-2010 at 07:00 AM.
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Quote from ForeverDcember :
Well I have had 2 surgeries for OBGYN related things in the past year, so I am assuming that I had this happen to me, as it was at a teaching hospital and my doctor is (well was) the head of that department. To be honest, it doesn't bother me. Pelvic exams are no big deal and if it helps the student learn, well then that is fine. They are already doing stuff while I am asleep anyway, why not have that opportunity to learn?
yeah but you're getting unknowingly fingered without your consent while knocked out.

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I'm going to write on my bikini line DO YOUR WORST
laugh out loud
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09-01-2010 at 07:01 AM.
09-01-2010 at 07:01 AM.
creepy...
while they are at it they should also write on their leg that they do not consent any kind of sexual intercourse, just to be clear.

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I'm going to write on my bikini line DO YOUR WORST
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09-01-2010 at 07:02 AM.
09-01-2010 at 07:02 AM.
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I'm going to write on my bikini line DO YOUR WORST
Or "PARTY OVER HERE!" Whee
Quote from Roland Deschain :
yeah but you're getting unknowingly fingered without your consent while knocked out.

It almost seems like ....rape. Not exactly but kinda....
It's not fingering. It is a standard pelvic exam. They may need to take my temperature, blood pressure or even feel my stomach during a surgery but I didn't know, they don't need to wake me up to ask permission. It is kinda unsettling that they don't just ask first, but I really don't see the big deal.

And it isn't like rape. It isn't malicious or anything. This is a medical exam, not something for sexual gratification.
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Quote from SDRebel :
creepy...
while they are at it they should also write on their leg that they do not consent any kind of sexual intercourse, just to be clear.
They should also draw an arrow pointing towards the butthole and label it "Wrong hole"
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09-01-2010 at 07:04 AM.
09-01-2010 at 07:04 AM.
Tell your doctor you want your procedure video taped and if anything is done outside the procedure, sue 'em!
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Roland Deschain
09-01-2010 at 07:04 AM.
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Quote from ForeverDcember :
Or "PARTY OVER HERE!" Whee

It's not fingering. It is a standard pelvic exam. They may need to take my temperature, blood pressure or even feel my stomach during a surgery but I didn't know, they don't need to wake me up to ask permission. It is kinda unsettling that they don't just ask first, but I really don't see the big deal.

And it isn't like rape. It isn't malicious or anything. This is a medical exam, not something for sexual gratification.
damn you quoted me before I could retract the rape comment. lol

I guess you're right...IDK I wonder how my wife would feel about this article. Not sure I'm cool with anyone performing unauthorized exams on her though.
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09-01-2010 at 07:04 AM.
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So, we actually had a bioethics course about this in medical school. We were told that if an attending says to do it on an unconscious patient that we are politely supposed to say that we are uncomfortable to do an exam on a patient without consent.
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09-01-2010 at 07:05 AM.
09-01-2010 at 07:05 AM.
I didn't think this was true, so I hopped on over to Snopes.com and found nothing. Then I just straight Googled it. Shocking

I'm shaving the words "TOUCH AND DIE" into you-know-what if I'm ever anesthetized again. Nono
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Roland Deschain
09-01-2010 at 07:06 AM.
09-01-2010 at 07:06 AM.
Quote from ultimatedragon1 :
So, we actually had a bioethics course about this in medical school. We were told that if an attending says to do it on an unconscious patient that we are politely supposed to say that we are uncomfortable to do an exam on a patient without consent.
good to know it's being taught that way at least.

but some male doctors will llikely be like.."damn this one's hawt. I'm going in!"
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Quote from Roland Deschain :
They should also draw an arrow pointing towards the butthole and label it "Wrong hole"
now that you mention it, they should also put a note in one of the cheeks that they don't consent to any activity in that wrong hole nod
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09-01-2010 at 07:07 AM.
09-01-2010 at 07:07 AM.
Quote from SDRebel :
now that you mention it, they should also put a note in one of the cheeks that they don't consent to any activity in that wrong hole nod
How much space do you think they have to write on? EEK!
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