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Wow. Um, here's another one of those things guys don't have to worry about.
September 1, 2010 at
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Are all women who are put under general anesthesia in a hospital practiced on by students while unconscious?All women in the OB/GYN department at most teaching hospitals and hospitals affiliated with a medical school are. If you're anesthetized and you're in the OB/GYN department, you probably have had students practice pelvic exams on you regardless of what you're in the hospital for - even if the procedure you need doesn't require a pelvic exam! Additionally, while doctors don't go to other departments — such as general surgery patients, neurosurgery patients or cardiac surgery patients — if your surgeon is an OB/GYN, odds are there's going to be a team of hungry medical students waiting for you to fall asleep. Can you explain what happens during these non-consensual pelvic exams? They are usually "bi-digital" exams. This means students insert two fingers as deeply as they can into the vagina with one hand and use the other hand to feel around the outside of the abdomen for the ovaries. What they're trying to do is trap the ovaries between their two fingers and their hand and feel for the internal organs from the inside. Sometimes, speculums are also used in the exams. What stops students from simply asking the patient for permission? When I was a student and approached the chairperson of my department and said I was uncomfortable with this, and he said, "I don't see anything wrong with it." My response was, "If there's nothing wrong it, then you won't mind if I ask permission." He said I couldn't do that. He knew that women would be absolutely outraged at the thought, and so, no one would tell them anything. So, how can a woman prevent non-consensual pelvic exams happening to her? All you can do is ask and hope that your doctor will honor your request. Once you're asleep, however, you have no power. And what a powerless thing for women to know this goes on and think, "Well, I'm just going to have to trust my doctor." What if you don't trust your doctor? Women can write on their bikini line, "I do not give consent for medical students to practice pelvic exams on me" in marker. Then as soon as the clothes come off or the robe is lifted and all the medical students are getting on their latex gloves they can see that message. And that will stop them. I was inspired to think up this tip because of patient advocates like Bernie Siegel, M.D., who recommend that patients use a magic marker to write "Wrong leg" or "Wrong arm" on their healthy body parts to prevent them their doctor from performing surgery on the wrong limb - a common mistake. |
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I'm shaving the words "TOUCH AND DIE" into you-know-what if I'm ever anesthetized again.
http://www.theunnecesa
The story is that the practice of digitally raping anesthetized female and male patients without their consent continues.
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Ninety-four percent of Oxford Medical School graduates learned to perform digital rectal examinations using male and female patients, many of whom were anesthetized.
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It's easy to ask your patient when she comes in for a check up, "do you mind if a student assists or performs your pelvic today?"
Anything that has to be done in deception shouldn't be done at all. People are not guinea pigs and should not be practiced on without first agreeing on it. Plus how many medical students do you think are in the OR during any given surgery. They travel in groups (this I know). Do you really want 5 or 6 students up in your hoo hoo while you are knocked out?
I agree with teri, this is a shady practice.. if they are unwilling to ask the patient for consent, they shouldn't be doing it.
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Ninety-four percent of Oxford Medical School graduates learned to perform digital rectal examinations using male and female patients, many of whom were anesthetized.
Should the patient also seek alimony?
Just because of the ethical concerns, I find this hard to believe. You have to consent to medical procedures, especially invasive ones.
As to the marker thing, I had surgery on an elbow a couple years back. THe morning of the surgery I had someone write on the OTHER arm "Wrong arm" in several spots. After the surgery, the Dr. asked if I didnt trust him. I didnt knwo what he was talkign about, as I was still a little groggy. He then showed me the writing on the good arm. He obviously saw it during the surgery, I dont know whether it was because he was going to operate on that arm or not.
I agree with teri, this is a shady practice.. if they are unwilling to ask the patient for consent, they shouldn't be doing it.
I wonder how many of the Med students at Uni of South Florida that I know have been put in the situation of being told to perform this. I'd believe that this was going on there.
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