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Wow. Um, here's another one of those things guys don't have to worry about.

26,675 2,340 September 1, 2010 at 06:51 AM in Sad (2)
linly [theunnecesarean.com]

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Are all women who are put under general anesthesia in a hospital practiced on by students while unconscious?

All women in the OB/GYN department at most teaching hospitals and hospitals affiliated with a medical school are. If you're anesthetized and you're in the OB/GYN department, you probably have had students practice pelvic exams on you regardless of what you're in the hospital for - even if the procedure you need doesn't require a pelvic exam!

Additionally, while doctors don't go to other departments — such as general surgery patients, neurosurgery patients or cardiac surgery patients — if your surgeon is an OB/GYN, odds are there's going to be a team of hungry medical students waiting for you to fall asleep.



Can you explain what happens during these non-consensual pelvic exams?

They are usually "bi-digital" exams. This means students insert two fingers as deeply as they can into the vagina with one hand and use the other hand to feel around the outside of the abdomen for the ovaries. What they're trying to do is trap the ovaries between their two fingers and their hand and feel for the internal organs from the inside. Sometimes, speculums are also used in the exams.



What stops students from simply asking the patient for permission?

When I was a student and approached the chairperson of my department and said I was uncomfortable with this, and he said, "I don't see anything wrong with it." My response was, "If there's nothing wrong it, then you won't mind if I ask permission." He said I couldn't do that. He knew that women would be absolutely outraged at the thought, and so, no one would tell them anything.



So, how can a woman prevent non-consensual pelvic exams happening to her?

All you can do is ask and hope that your doctor will honor your request. Once you're asleep, however, you have no power. And what a powerless thing for women to know this goes on and think, "Well, I'm just going to have to trust my doctor."

What if you don't trust your doctor?

Women can write on their bikini line, "I do not give consent for medical students to practice pelvic exams on me" in marker. Then as soon as the clothes come off or the robe is lifted and all the medical students are getting on their latex gloves they can see that message. And that will stop them. I was inspired to think up this tip because of patient advocates like Bernie Siegel, M.D., who recommend that patients use a magic marker to write "Wrong leg" or "Wrong arm" on their healthy body parts to prevent them their doctor from performing surgery on the wrong limb - a common mistake.
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Schly
09-01-2010 at 03:55 PM.
09-01-2010 at 03:55 PM.
I'd just wear a huge, bloody pad that day. No one's going to want to peek behind it.
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09-01-2010 at 04:01 PM.
09-01-2010 at 04:01 PM.
You'd just keep one on ice, in case of surgery?
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veritablequandary
09-01-2010 at 04:04 PM.
09-01-2010 at 04:04 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
You'd just keep one on ice, in case of surgery?
"Honey, I think this lasagna has been in the freezer too long..."
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Schly
09-01-2010 at 04:26 PM.
09-01-2010 at 04:26 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
You'd just keep one on ice, in case of surgery?
No, dummy, you slice your wrist just before surgery. I mean, you're in surgery anyway, they can just stitch that up while you're there. And they'll never put 2 and 2 together.
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Dr. J
09-01-2010 at 05:55 PM.
09-01-2010 at 05:55 PM.
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wonder if this goes on with guys too - say if you're down for a colonoscopy -
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SDRebel
09-01-2010 at 05:57 PM.
09-01-2010 at 05:57 PM.
Quote from appleyum :
Well veritableqndry apparently you are wrong about guys don't have to worry about it

http://www.theunnecesarean.com/bl...hetiz.html
holy shit, that is just plain wrong

Quote from Dr. J :
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wonder if this goes on with guys too - say if you're down for a colonoscopy -
see the article from appleyum I just quoted EEK! Yuk
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09-01-2010 at 05:57 PM.
09-01-2010 at 05:57 PM.
Quote from Schly :
No, dummy, you slice your wrist just before surgery. I mean, you're in surgery anyway, they can just stitch that up while you're there. And they'll never put 2 and 2 together.
Doh
Clearly I didn't think it through.
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narrowcamaro
09-01-2010 at 06:09 PM.
09-01-2010 at 06:09 PM.
Its just plain rude. Pelvic exams don't feel good to begin with, the first time I had one done it was very painful, the dr smashed on of my ovaries, I am very small, I imagine a guy getting kicked in the balls would be the same feeling. People should be awake during "practice" exams to make sure they aren't hurting the patient.

I have no issues with student doctors, I had a bunch in the room for my post pardum visit.
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09-01-2010 at 06:17 PM.
09-01-2010 at 06:17 PM.
Quote from Schly :
I'd just wear a huge, bloody pad that day. No one's going to want to peek behind it.
Grooooooss laugh out loud (But true)
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veritablequandary
09-01-2010 at 06:20 PM.
09-01-2010 at 06:20 PM.
I think you're all looking at this the wrong way. You're all slickdealers, right?

Hey, free pelvic! woot
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09-01-2010 at 06:25 PM.
09-01-2010 at 06:25 PM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
I think you're all looking at this the wrong way. You're all slickdealers, right?

Hey, free pelvic! woot
Actually that is what I was thinking. No idea if they are really allowed to do this or not, but it would be free. And they might find something. Generally it is good to find something rather than to be unaware of it before there are more problems.
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09-01-2010 at 06:45 PM.
09-01-2010 at 06:45 PM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
I think you're all looking at this the wrong way. You're all slickdealers, right?

Hey, free pelvic! woot
Yeah, but most operations require at least one follow up, why can't it be done then? I would have no issue with a student doctor performing a practice exam on me while I am awake and able to tell them if they are hurting me.
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luckykitti
09-01-2010 at 07:03 PM.
09-01-2010 at 07:03 PM.
interesting find, vq
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09-01-2010 at 07:28 PM.
09-01-2010 at 07:28 PM.
Quote from narrowcamaro :
Yeah, but most operations require at least one follow up, why can't it be done then? I would have no issue with a student doctor performing a practice exam on me while I am awake and able to tell them if they are hurting me.
No matter how bad the pelvic is, the operation is gonna hurt more.
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09-01-2010 at 09:09 PM.
09-01-2010 at 09:09 PM.
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I didn't think this was true, so I hopped on over to Snopes.com and found nothing. Then I just straight Googled it. Shocking

I'm shaving the words "TOUCH AND DIE" into you-know-what if I'm ever anesthetized again. Nono
Your thang is that deadly? Nice of you to warn them, but they could probably prescribe something.
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