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Wow. Um, here's another one of those things guys don't have to worry about.

26,675 2,340 September 1, 2010 at 06:51 AM in Sad (2)
linly [theunnecesarean.com]

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Are all women who are put under general anesthesia in a hospital practiced on by students while unconscious?

All women in the OB/GYN department at most teaching hospitals and hospitals affiliated with a medical school are. If you're anesthetized and you're in the OB/GYN department, you probably have had students practice pelvic exams on you regardless of what you're in the hospital for - even if the procedure you need doesn't require a pelvic exam!

Additionally, while doctors don't go to other departments — such as general surgery patients, neurosurgery patients or cardiac surgery patients — if your surgeon is an OB/GYN, odds are there's going to be a team of hungry medical students waiting for you to fall asleep.



Can you explain what happens during these non-consensual pelvic exams?

They are usually "bi-digital" exams. This means students insert two fingers as deeply as they can into the vagina with one hand and use the other hand to feel around the outside of the abdomen for the ovaries. What they're trying to do is trap the ovaries between their two fingers and their hand and feel for the internal organs from the inside. Sometimes, speculums are also used in the exams.



What stops students from simply asking the patient for permission?

When I was a student and approached the chairperson of my department and said I was uncomfortable with this, and he said, "I don't see anything wrong with it." My response was, "If there's nothing wrong it, then you won't mind if I ask permission." He said I couldn't do that. He knew that women would be absolutely outraged at the thought, and so, no one would tell them anything.



So, how can a woman prevent non-consensual pelvic exams happening to her?

All you can do is ask and hope that your doctor will honor your request. Once you're asleep, however, you have no power. And what a powerless thing for women to know this goes on and think, "Well, I'm just going to have to trust my doctor."

What if you don't trust your doctor?

Women can write on their bikini line, "I do not give consent for medical students to practice pelvic exams on me" in marker. Then as soon as the clothes come off or the robe is lifted and all the medical students are getting on their latex gloves they can see that message. And that will stop them. I was inspired to think up this tip because of patient advocates like Bernie Siegel, M.D., who recommend that patients use a magic marker to write "Wrong leg" or "Wrong arm" on their healthy body parts to prevent them their doctor from performing surgery on the wrong limb - a common mistake.
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09-01-2010 at 09:23 PM.
09-01-2010 at 09:23 PM.


"can't wait until i'm knocked out" Whee
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09-01-2010 at 09:34 PM.
09-01-2010 at 09:34 PM.
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I'm going to write on my bikini line DO YOUR WORST
Rofl2 I think I have a new favorite UTR quote laugh out loud
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09-01-2010 at 09:36 PM.
09-01-2010 at 09:36 PM.
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creepy...
while they are at it they should also write on their leg that they do not consent any kind of sexual intercourse, just to be clear.
In case the student doctor is a dog?
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someone28624
09-01-2010 at 10:15 PM.
09-01-2010 at 10:15 PM.
Essentially, a non-consensual, unnecessary pelvic exam is not only completely unethical, but chargeable as assault if it were to go to court. Hopefully someone in the OR would have the morality to stop such a thing. When in the hospital, you typically sign a general consent for treatment, and a separate consent for any invasive procedure you're having. I have never heard of a pelvic exam requiring a separate consent, other than the general consent for treatment, but if it's strictly for learning purposes, it would not be covered under the treatment consent as it's not necessary for treatment or standard of care.

That being said, I suspect this does happen, but not as often as this website makes it out to be. The website seems in general to be anti-medical establishment.

Also, that being said, for any procedure that a lithotomy position is used for, doing a pelvic exam is not a far stretch from what's required for the operation itself. It's basically already "all out there."
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09-02-2010 at 12:40 AM.
09-02-2010 at 12:40 AM.
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Well I have had 2 surgeries for OBGYN related things in the past year, so I am assuming that I had this happen to me, as it was at a teaching hospital and my doctor is (well was) the head of that department. To be honest, it doesn't bother me. Pelvic exams are no big deal and if it helps the student learn, well then that is fine. They are already doing stuff while I am asleep anyway, why not have that opportunity to learn?
you can't be serious. Fingering you in the name of science and learning is okay, but performing the same act in the name of sexual gratification is considered rape?
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09-02-2010 at 12:51 AM.
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you can't be serious. Fingering you in the name of science and learning is okay, but performing the same act in the name of sexual gratification is considered rape?
Just tell any girl that accuses you of rape that you're a scientist. Thumbsup
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09-02-2010 at 06:13 AM.
09-02-2010 at 06:13 AM.
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I'd just wear a huge, bloody pad that day. No one's going to want to peek behind it.
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You'd just keep one on ice, in case of surgery?
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09-02-2010 at 06:20 AM.
09-02-2010 at 06:20 AM.
Quote from incogito :
you can't be serious. Fingering you in the name of science and learning is okay, but performing the same act in the name of sexual gratification is considered rape?
If you get fingered the way an OBGYN does a pelvic, that dude must be completely inept, lol. Draw him a map to the clit.
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09-02-2010 at 06:20 AM.
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Rofl2 I think I have a new favorite UTR quote laugh out loud
I wasn't sure how people would react to that comment.
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09-02-2010 at 06:25 AM.
09-02-2010 at 06:25 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
If you get fingered the way an OBGYN does a pelvic, that dude must be completely inept, lol. Draw him a map to the clit.
You don't just go leaping straight for the clitoris!

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09-02-2010 at 09:25 AM.
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I wasn't sure how people would react to that comment.
I lot of the really perverted people probably PM you as a followup!
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I lot of the really perverted people probably PM you as a followup!
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