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Wow. Um, here's another one of those things guys don't have to worry about.
September 1, 2010 at
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Are all women who are put under general anesthesia in a hospital practiced on by students while unconscious?All women in the OB/GYN department at most teaching hospitals and hospitals affiliated with a medical school are. If you're anesthetized and you're in the OB/GYN department, you probably have had students practice pelvic exams on you regardless of what you're in the hospital for - even if the procedure you need doesn't require a pelvic exam! Additionally, while doctors don't go to other departments — such as general surgery patients, neurosurgery patients or cardiac surgery patients — if your surgeon is an OB/GYN, odds are there's going to be a team of hungry medical students waiting for you to fall asleep. Can you explain what happens during these non-consensual pelvic exams? They are usually "bi-digital" exams. This means students insert two fingers as deeply as they can into the vagina with one hand and use the other hand to feel around the outside of the abdomen for the ovaries. What they're trying to do is trap the ovaries between their two fingers and their hand and feel for the internal organs from the inside. Sometimes, speculums are also used in the exams. What stops students from simply asking the patient for permission? When I was a student and approached the chairperson of my department and said I was uncomfortable with this, and he said, "I don't see anything wrong with it." My response was, "If there's nothing wrong it, then you won't mind if I ask permission." He said I couldn't do that. He knew that women would be absolutely outraged at the thought, and so, no one would tell them anything. So, how can a woman prevent non-consensual pelvic exams happening to her? All you can do is ask and hope that your doctor will honor your request. Once you're asleep, however, you have no power. And what a powerless thing for women to know this goes on and think, "Well, I'm just going to have to trust my doctor." What if you don't trust your doctor? Women can write on their bikini line, "I do not give consent for medical students to practice pelvic exams on me" in marker. Then as soon as the clothes come off or the robe is lifted and all the medical students are getting on their latex gloves they can see that message. And that will stop them. I was inspired to think up this tip because of patient advocates like Bernie Siegel, M.D., who recommend that patients use a magic marker to write "Wrong leg" or "Wrong arm" on their healthy body parts to prevent them their doctor from performing surgery on the wrong limb - a common mistake. |
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As I stated, if a vaginal exam is necessary then it's fine, If it's just to give a student a chance to practice, then it is not.
The fact that teaching hospitals offer good medical care has nothing to do with this practice.
As I stated, if a vaginal exam is necessary then it's fine, If it's just to give a student a chance to practice, then it is not.
The fact that teaching hospitals offer good medical care has nothing to do with this practice.
The comment on teaching hospitals having better care was in response to someone stating they "hate" teaching hospitals, which is an absurd stance to take. Would you rather your doctor have never seen a real patient by the time they graduate? I'll argue that they not only have GOOD care, but BETTER care.
The comment on teaching hospitals having better care was in response to someone stating they "hate" teaching hospitals, which is an absurd stance to take. Would you rather your doctor have never seen a real patient by the time they graduate? I'll argue that they not only have GOOD care, but BETTER care.
My experience with hospitals and health care practitioners is that they genuinely are concerned for patients and want to be ethically and morally correct overall.
My experience with hospitals and health care practitioners is that they genuinely are concerned for patients and want to be ethically and morally correct overall.
What I don't get, though, is pelvic exams don't exactly take a lot of practice. Doing it two or three times should be sufficient to pretty much know your way around a vagina and a uterus.
"Pelvic exam" kind of is a broad term. Just looking at it is technically an exam.
Many of the procedures are emergent, and thus, exam is necessary.
I don't think just having the patient unconscious is reason to let the student have full access to any body part, but c'mon, if the patient is already there spread eagle with a speculum up there, what's wrong with the student looking in there?
That being said, I highly doubt that it's nearly as common as the article makes it out to be.
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That being said, I suspect this does happen, but not as often as this website makes it out to be. The website seems in general to be anti-medical establishment.
Also, that being said, for any procedure that a lithotomy position is used for, doing a pelvic exam is not a far stretch from what's required for the operation itself. It's basically already "all out there."
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