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Hello, My Name is Mike. I Give A Thesis As to Why Steven Hawking Could Be Wrong.
August 11, 2011 at
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Now don't get me wrong, I used to think Steven Hawking was the smartest person ever. As someone else that is smart (me), I watch Discovery and TLC a lot - minus Kate Plus Eight hehe.. Anyways, let's get down to what is bothering me.
I was thinking the other day of the entire basis of why the Big Bang Theory is the top suggested theory going right now in the science realm. Let's ignore religion and let's use what we know. For those unaware, the Big Bang is basically the theory that everything originated from a single point so small and so tiny that you couldn't even see it with your own eyes. Let's put this into your mind.
Now the Big Bang is used mostly because of the Doppler Effect. No I ain't talking weather. I'm talking color shift. Basically things that move very fast away from you create a redshift (red color behind them). Those that are coming toward you fast create a blueshift (blue in front of them). So what scientist have done is examine the universe and see all this redshift everywhere. They basically have concluded that everything is moving away from us.
My problem is the following:
1) The Doppler Effect doesn't take into account the source point of view. Who is to say the Earth isn't the one moving away fast? If you want to include our solar system, let's say the Sun and the 8 planets are the ones moving away from everything else.
2) If everything is moving so far away from each other at such fast speeds, why is Steven Hawking even suggesting that we attempt to travel to other solar systems thousands of light years away from us (speeds we can't even come close to). By the time we reach where they were when we left earth, they will no longer be there, right? They are moving so fast to create a redshift that we would never make the destination. The travel time would be infinite.
3) Let's say that it is just our solar system moving away from everything else. That would destroy the Big Bang theory completely and then do away with the idea that we all originated from one single point in space. It also destroys Steven Hawking's theory that before the Big Bang, there was no space.
If this is too complicated for you to understand, let me know and I can explain more.
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I was thinking the other day of the entire basis of why the Big Bang Theory is the top suggested theory going right now in the science realm. Let's ignore religion and let's use what we know. For those unaware, the Big Bang is basically the theory that everything originated from a single point so small and so tiny that you couldn't even see it with your own eyes. Let's put this into your mind.
Now the Big Bang is used mostly because of the Doppler Effect. No I ain't talking weather. I'm talking color shift. Basically things that move very fast away from you create a redshift (red color behind them). Those that are coming toward you fast create a blueshift (blue in front of them). So what scientist have done is examine the universe and see all this redshift everywhere. They basically have concluded that everything is moving away from us.
My problem is the following:
1) The Doppler Effect doesn't take into account the source point of view. Who is to say the Earth isn't the one moving away fast? If you want to include our solar system, let's say the Sun and the 8 planets are the ones moving away from everything else.
2) If everything is moving so far away from each other at such fast speeds, why is Steven Hawking even suggesting that we attempt to travel to other solar systems thousands of light years away from us (speeds we can't even come close to). By the time we reach where they were when we left earth, they will no longer be there, right? They are moving so fast to create a redshift that we would never make the destination. The travel time would be infinite.
3) Let's say that it is just our solar system moving away from everything else. That would destroy the Big Bang theory completely and then do away with the idea that we all originated from one single point in space. It also destroys Steven Hawking's theory that before the Big Bang, there was no space.
If this is too complicated for you to understand, let me know and I can explain more.
DISCUSS
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Now you could throw in there that you can only go as fast as the mass you are shooting in the opposite direction... Then use an ion drive as propulsion as they can accelerate particles much faster than rockets can.
The physics is there, we just need to find a way to use it better in order to make space travel more likely. Oh, and the dopplar effect can be seen in small velocities as well, it's not like we can only tell when the hydrogen emission spectrum is only in the red/blue spectrums of light...
Keep watching TLC...
Huh, that sounds familiar...
Oh yeah, somebody said it already in posting 23.
Oh yeah, somebody said it already in posting 23.
Oops!
However, great minds do think alike!
However, great minds do think alike!
So, you are saying you gloss over his threads, sort of the way mikecart1 glosses over real science?
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Yes.
However, not once has there even been a shred of proof towards the existence of this prime mover. So I would say that it takes a hell of a lot less faith to make a leap based on known scientific facts working backward towards something like the Big Bang than it does on an entire human history of making things up.
The smarter move, in my opinion, is to believe in the TV show. We can all get behind that.
However, not once has there even been a shred of proof towards the existence of this prime mover. So I would say that it takes a hell of a lot less faith to make a leap based on known scientific facts working backward towards something like the Big Bang than it does on an entire human history of making things up.
The smarter move, in my opinion, is to believe in the TV show. We can all get behind that.
Now if you want to talk about proof, perhaps you can show everyone how you or anyone else, can make dirt, rock or some type of gas, out of nothingness? And when I say nothingness, I mean nothing, no gas, no spark, no matter, no anti-matter, etc. When you can get back to me, okay?
Now if you want to talk about proof, perhaps you can show everyone how you or anyone else, can make dirt, rock or some type of gas, out of nothingness? And when I say nothingness, I mean nothing, no gas, no spark, no matter, no anti-matter, etc. When you can get back to me, okay?
As to your second question, I can get back to you right now! Nowhere that I have read does it say that a human being created the big bang. So neither me, nor anyone else, can make all of that from nothing. Nice job, you proved that the big bang wasn't put into motion by a human!
And, if you want to talk from a religious standpoint, isn't that exactly what god did in the old testament? Or do you not believe in any judeo-christian religion because according to you, it's impossible for me or anyone else to create any of that from nothing.
I still say the TV show is the way to go. It'd be much more harmonious.
As to your second question, I can get back to you right now! Nowhere that I have read does it say that a human being created the big bang. So neither me, nor anyone else, can make all of that from nothing. Nice job, you proved that the big bang wasn't put into motion by a human!
And, if you want to talk from a religious standpoint, isn't that exactly what god did in the old testament? Or do you not believe in any judeo-christian religion because according to you, it's impossible for me or anyone else to create any of that from nothing.
I still say the TV show is the way to go. It'd be much more harmonious.
Was the tv show created from nothing?
Now if you want to talk about proof, perhaps you can show everyone how you or anyone else, can make dirt, rock or some type of gas, out of nothingness? And when I say nothingness, I mean nothing, no gas, no spark, no matter, no anti-matter, etc. When you can get back to me, okay?
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