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Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis
November 19, 2011 at
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You came back to thread pretty quick.
Sorry for taking up so much of your valuable time..
There's no absolutes in life...And yes, I know I'm not going to be able to convince you guys that a 20 year old woman sitting on the sidewalk is not a threat to anyone.
Not going to be able to convince you that the university over reacted by calling in the cops.
Not going to be able to convince you that the cops initiated the confrontation, or that pepper spray is excessive force, given the context.
Cops abuse their power too often. Thank God that the majority opinion in the Lounge is not reflective of real life.. I don't want to live in a Police State.
Its not like they jumped straight to pepperspray, they went through all the other levels of force.
Read my other post.
Doesn't change the facts of what happened.
There were other solutions than spraying pepper spray at close range.
They couldn't have gone to the end of the "chain", with 35 cops, and picked up the protestors one by one, and arrested them?
IMO, part of his job should be to be in good physical shape.
He's obviously not.
Moral judgement was displayed when the officers gave these people the opportunity to avoid conflict. They were given more warnings than they deserved. Once should have been it.
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Posted a couple for good measure ... in case the fat cop needed refills
Don't you hate it when they Mace kids...
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Posted a couple for good measure ... in case the fat cop needed refills
Don't you hate it when they Mace kids...
Then when they are faced with the consequences of being adults the bleeding hearts are all crying about brutal treatment of kids.
What options do you propose?
Doesn't change the facts of what happened.
There were other solutions than spraying pepper spray at close range.
They couldn't have gone to the end of the "chain", with 35 cops, and picked up the protestors one by one, and arrested them?
Not going to be able to convince you that the university over reacted by calling in the cops.
Not going to be able to convince you that the cops initiated the confrontation, or that pepper spray is excessive force, given the context.
This has been an interesting discussion albeit selective by many of the protesters apologists. The cops weren't concern for only themselves but also the protesters and bystanders with the potential mob mentality. I notice jj.12321;44993434's other option the police could had taken is exactly what z2g suggested may not had been possible without repercussions that may had been worse. If the police were successful in dragging or lifting them, as a whole, away from the sidewalk, they'd simply would move back. Would you suggest they tickle or use of chloroform on them? That's assault and cruel and unusual punishment.
People are given the right to peacefully assemble. As soon as that assembly becomes unlawful, as this one did, it is no ,longer peaceful. Police have every right to break up an unlawful assembly. These people were breaking the law whether you agree with the law or not. The police are not going to ignore laws being broken, despite what JJ12345 claims. In this case, these unwashed masses, or dirty hippies, or homelss jobless bums, whatever you prefer, were told that they were not allowed to keep camp on university property and were told to break camp by a certain time. They chose not to. They then chose to block access and egress to and from buildings on campus. That's a safety issue. They were told repeatedly by Police to disperse, they chose not to. They refused to let go of each others arms. The officers had no choice but to use other non-lethal means to take the offenders into custody. They chose to use pepper spray. By no means is pepper spray a "last resort". Police forces use it, so they dont have to use the "last resort". Whoever called pepper spray a "last resort" is an idiot who doesnt know what he/she is talking about. This cop that got suspended, did absolutely nothing wrong. If the media in this country wasnt so farked up and so blatantly one sided, I have no doubt that he would be reinstated with no repurcussions. As it stands, he should be reinstated with no repurcussions, but whiny uninformed bitches, like the ones we seem to have in this thread, will make that impossible.
Doesn't change the facts of what happened.
There were other solutions than spraying pepper spray at close range.
They couldn't have gone to the end of the "chain", with 35 cops, and picked up the protestors one by one, and arrested them?
They only arrested the people who were on the sidewalk. They didn't have to arrest the other people on the grass.
There were other solutions: they could've used a baton, tased them, sprayed them with a hose, or strike them with hard hands. They chose the most appropriate and effective solution after exercising the other "lesser" means of force.
You did see that the police attempted to pull people away, and the protesters actively resisted and pulled back.
So officer's have the choice of: Individually wrestling with protesters and performing a takedown, who already are in a mob mentality, who are actively resisting arrest and physically pulling away... which obviously involves a higher risk of injury to both the suspect and the officer,
or
Using a non lethal compliance tool that typically causes people to loosen their grips, disperse, give up, and makes them easier to arrest. Furthermore, this tool is effective in deployment for a larger number of people and is temporary.
Someone grabbing your body while some other protester wrangles your arm in an attempt to keep you from connected, and then resisting arrest is far more likely to cause prolonged or permanent damage (easy to break a finger, sprain a wrist, or dislocate a shoulder) which lasts far longer than having your eyes washed out after being pepper sprayed).
But again arguing is pointless because you're just another person who refuses to use logic or reason, just like the protestors who refused to simply move off the sidewalk and continue protesting on the grass...
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of course to certain right leaning members these people were totally LAWBREAKERS and deserved what the police gave them..
The real reason why certain right leaning people support such police brutaility, was because the last time if the police had been more brutal, certain ( colored ) people would of never gain the rights they deserve like everyone else ( whites )
This is why they fear these protestors/protest because it will shake up the status quo, just like it did back in the 60's