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Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

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Police pepper spray peaceful students
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PaintTheSkyGrey
11-30-2011 at 08:01 AM.
11-30-2011 at 08:01 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
1. Parking in a handicapped spot has nothing to do with the right to assembly
2. If a cop sees someone in a handicap parking spot without a sticker.. 100% of the time, he will ticket that person. How often are people arrested for "blocking a sidewalk"?
One is a legitimate crime.. the other is a trumped up charge to justify the police using violence to break up a peaceful assembly.
One is a "legitimate crime" because it doesn't interfere with your idea of what should have happened in the UC Davis event. The "right to assembly" does not protect you while breaking the law. They were blocking a public ROW, which is against the law. I'm not sure what's so hard to comprehend about this. If the kids weren't sitting across a sidewalk, the cops wouldn't have had anything to charge anyone with. The protest could have continued, and no one would have gotten sprayed. It sounds like a dozen people thought their idea and 15 minutes of fame outweighed the needs of the movement.

Quote from jj.12321 :
No, we are having a situation where people disagree with the "occupy" protestors, therefore they take pleasure in seeing excessive violence used in a peaceful demonstration. I really don't care if they are protesting that water is wet.. What they are protesting doesn't matter. It's sad that so many people accept the college admin and police OVER REACTION to this.
There was no over reaction to anything. There was a proper escalation of force. It's not the cops' fault that the kids didn't want to move. They shouldn't have to stand around and babysit a sidewalk to make sure that the kids aren't going to obstruct anyone from passing through. They shouldn't have to just wait for the belligerents to get tired and go away. They gave a completely lawful order, which was refused. Instead of the risk of breaking limbs, or the risk of positional asphyxiation, they pulled out the OC. And it worked. Everyone walked away without a scratch.

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laugh out loud Ok, what liberty was being deprived.. What they did happens every day.. Ever walk on the sidewalk and see 4 people talking,and blocking the sidewalk.. Do you call the cops because your sidewalk right was violated.. this whole thing is silly.. The cops claim they were blocking the sidewalk.. Who did they block? If they were stopping people from getting to class, etc believe me, that would've been news.
Again, you're grasping at straws.
If a cop sees someone in a handicap parking spot without a sticker.. 100% of the time, he will ticket that person
Whose rights am I violating if there are no handicapped people waiting to park? Why is it just for him to do that?

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The admins picked a fight. They looked out their window, got tired of the students peaceful assembly and decided to bring the cops in to disperse the crowd. Just because some tightass in an ivory tower is tired of seeing a tent doesn't mean that people's right to assemble should be trampled on.. it's certianly not a justification for the cops to come in and make demands that the kids disperse and then use violence.
"The admins picked a fight" is a far cry from
The whole "blocking the sidewalk" is a trumped up charge designed to justify the cops picking a fight.
So, we've now moved from the cops literally picking a fight, to the "tightass in an ivory tower" picking a fight, metaphorically. It sounds like you're really reaching, dude. Scratchchin

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Like I said, if there was a pink tent on the quad and they were having a camp-a-thon to raise money for breast cancer, I doubt the cops get called.
Most likely because it would have been organized with the permission of the administration, and that single tent would not be blocking any public ROWs.
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Landers
11-30-2011 at 08:11 AM.
11-30-2011 at 08:11 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
And if I refuse to move my car, it will be towed or ticketed.
I don't think I will be pepper sprayed or even threatened with violence.
oooh! They could have just chained these morons to a tow truck and driven away. Great idea for next time! Thanks!
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Landers
11-30-2011 at 08:18 AM.
11-30-2011 at 08:18 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
1. Parking in a handicapped spot has nothing to do with the right to assembly
2. If a cop sees someone in a handicap parking spot without a sticker.. 100% of the time, he will ticket that person. How often are people arrested for "blocking a sidewalk"?
One is a legitimate crime.. the other is a trumped up charge to justify the police using violence to break up a peaceful assembly.

I explained to PainttheSkyGrey the difference between parking in a handicap spot and the bogus charge of "blocking the sidewalk".. but if you need more clarification.. If someone parked in a handicap spot and was pepper sprayed for it, I would be upset with the excessive force too.
Regardless, they are both breaking the law. You can't pick and choose which laws you enforce and which you don't. Clearly you aren't going to get that.


In any case, you are stretching here because your either 1. anti-police or 2. are so sympathetic to the OWS movement that you can't see that these students were in the wrong. Either way, I'm done with you.
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Kolto
11-30-2011 at 08:29 AM.
11-30-2011 at 08:29 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
laugh out loud Ok, what liberty was being deprived.. What they did happens every day.. Ever walk on the sidewalk and see 4 people talking,and blocking the sidewalk.. Do you call the cops because your sidewalk right was violated.. this whole thing is silly.. The cops claim they were blocking the sidewalk.. Who did they block? If they were stopping people from getting to class, etc believe me, that would've been news.
actually if 4 people were blocking the sidewalk talking, and were there for a period of time, the police officer would go up to them and ask them to move along or move to the side in order to not block the walkway.
If they refused, then they would've been under arrest.
if they resisted arrest, then the situation would've escalated and perhaps pepper spray would come in.

Now i know you love to spin, but can you answer the following:
If the cops were out to get these people, why did they leave the rest of the protesters who followed the instruction to get out of the side walk alone?
Why didn't they pepperspray/arrest those who voluntarily followed the law and moved?
Would love to see your answer to this reasoning, and why it differs for those morons who ignored the law.
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11-30-2011 at 10:17 AM.
11-30-2011 at 10:17 AM.
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And at the time of MLK protests, there were many Americans that believed Blacks should be kept in the status quo. I'm sure if there was a Lounge back then, many people would've cheered the cops shutting down civil rights protests.
You are using hindsight now to justify those protests. You are proving the point that it's ok to break the law protesting as long as Landers agrees with the issue that is being protested.
Don't be an idiot. It's never ok to break the law when protesting regardless of the validity of the cause.
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11-30-2011 at 11:23 AM.
11-30-2011 at 11:23 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
And if I refuse to move my car, it will be towed or ticketed.
I don't think I will be pepper sprayed or even threatened with violence.
Yep it will be moved, won't it.
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Deusxmachina
11-30-2011 at 11:43 AM.
11-30-2011 at 11:43 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
And if I refuse to move my car, it will be towed or ticketed.
I don't think I will be pepper sprayed or even threatened with violence.
Block a handicap parking spot with your body for a long time and see what happens.
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12-04-2011 at 10:29 AM.
12-04-2011 at 10:29 AM.
I didn't read very much of this thread but I did just see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y

Which changed my opinion a bit. nod
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12-04-2011 at 11:54 AM.
12-04-2011 at 11:54 AM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
I didn't read very much of this thread but I did just see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y

Which changed my opinion a bit. nod
Yes, that changes things a bit about the pepper spraying, doesn't it.

"Look how smart I am with my expensive college degree... I think I will surround the police...."
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12-04-2011 at 12:10 PM.
12-04-2011 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
I didn't read very much of this thread but I did just see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y

Which changed my opinion a bit. nod
I love the part where, when they realize things are about to get real with the pepper spray, that they suddenly decide they are children and not adult protestors. laugh out loud

These occupy protestors seem to be nothing but a group of mindless drones who have to regurgitate the chanting of a leader rather than voice their own opinions. The don't even seem to have a clear idea of what they are even protesting.
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12-04-2011 at 12:57 PM.
12-04-2011 at 12:57 PM.
Quote from Deusxmachina :
Yes, that changes things a bit about the pepper spraying, doesn't it.

"Look how smart I am with my expensive college degree... I think I will surround the police...."
Quote from Iaaaiws :
I love the part where, when they realize things are about to get real with the pepper spray, that they suddenly decide they are children and not adult protestors. laugh out loud

These occupy protestors seem to be nothing but a group of mindless drones who have to regurgitate the chanting of a leader rather than voice their own opinions. The don't even seem to have a clear idea of what they are even protesting.
The deciding action for me was when they started chanting (at the instigator's prompting) "IF YOU LET THEM GO WE WILL LET YOU LEAVE!" Whatever else the cops thought or were planning - at that point the protestors' actions became (IMO) threatening.
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12-04-2011 at 01:42 PM.
12-04-2011 at 01:42 PM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
I didn't read very much of this thread but I did just see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y

Which changed my opinion a bit. nod
Secret This is a good one to read...like cover to cover. Wink

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12-04-2011 at 01:58 PM.
12-04-2011 at 01:58 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
These occupy protestors seem to be nothing but a group of mindless drones who have to regurgitate the chanting of a leader rather than voice their own opinions. The don't even seem to have a clear idea of what they are even protesting.
Oh....so the occupiers really are liberals! I had doubts a few times but that clears it up. Spray away, police! laugh out loud
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12-05-2011 at 12:56 PM.
12-05-2011 at 12:56 PM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
I didn't read very much of this thread but I did just see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y

Which changed my opinion a bit. nod
I always get a good chuckle when I see those "protesters" getting sprayed.
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12-05-2011 at 12:59 PM.
12-05-2011 at 12:59 PM.
Quote from jeepdog :
I always get a good chuckle when I see those "protesters" getting sprayed.
I enjoy it as well.....maybe a little bit more than just a chuckle laugh out loud

It also helps when I am in a not-so-good mood. My spirits are lifted after watching hippies get pepper sprayed. nod
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