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Linsanity!

106 90 February 10, 2012 at 02:47 PM in Chat (2) Youtube
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10...ryone.html

With so much love for Tebow on the site, I'm curious as to why there is no attention for the New York's newest star? He is not your standard stereotype for a basketball player. He is an Asian-American from Palo Alto with a degree from Harvard. This kid was sleeping on his brother's couch last week and now he is on top of the basketball world.

Recent 3 game stats:
5 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 25 pts
2 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, 28 pts
4 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 23 pts.

These are Lebron James type of numbers. Is this kid the real deal?

Against the #1 pick of his draft year [youtube.com]

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z2g
07-20-2012 at 11:40 AM.
07-20-2012 at 11:40 AM.
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If your attitude is "I can just cut him after 2 years", then why are you signing him to begin with? The people who are pissed off that we let him go, would've been pissed off in two years if they made that same move.

It's not a matter of "scaring" us, it's a matter of that contract disproportionately hurting us. Because of our salary cap situation, we couldn't apply those numbers in any way other than the way they were spelled out, and it would cost us $58M in the luxury tax in year 3. Also, by being forced into the luxury cap, the new CBA cuts away your ability to sign and trade. The Knicks front office would have been absolutely crippled in Year 3. Meanwhile it doesn't push Houston into the luxury cap, and a loophole allows them to distribute the money to 8.3M per year across all 3 years.

Further, you have no idea if the amount in revenue would offset that amount. $43M PLUS his contract is a helluva lot to offset. Plus merely offsetting the amount isn't enough, how do you account for the fact that you're in the luxury cap with just four players in year 3? There would be no bringing in a JR Smith or Jason Kidd or a Marcus Camby. You're basically locking in that you're going to war with just Lin, Melo, Amare, and hopefully Chandler (whom might actually need to be a casualty in year 3 if they need any payroll flexibility), and a bunch of minimum players. And you know what, I'm willing to do ALL of that for a player. But that player had better be the last piece of your puzzle. When it's guy that has 25 starts under his belt coming off knee surgery, it's very, very hard to make that call.
Have you seen the reports on how much MSG stock increased since Linsanity? Or, how much their tv ratings went up? And, how much stock value has declined since he left?

I say that the team has the option of cutting him since some ppl have been saying that $15 mil for Lin in his third yr is crazy. Note, $5 mil in season 1 and 2 aint bad.....a bargain. So, the team has an out before season 3 if Lin is a bust.

I think you're just not thinking in terms of business and the international star power issues. You're thinking in terms of a isolated, NBA purist without considering international ramifications.
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shhaggy
07-20-2012 at 11:53 AM.
07-20-2012 at 11:53 AM.
Quote from z2g :
Have you seen the reports on how much MSG stock increased since Linsanity? Or, how much their tv ratings went up? And, how much stock value has declined since he left?

I say that the team has the option of cutting him since some ppl have been saying that $15 mil for Lin in his third yr is crazy. Note, $5 mil in season 1 and 2 aint bad.....a bargain. So, the team has an out before season 3 if Lin is a bust.

I think you're just not thinking in terms of business and the international star power issues. You're thinking in terms of a isolated, NBA purist without considering international ramifications.
Stock prices and tv ratings are temporary. Lin was winning. The Knicks will see ratings and swim in money any time they are good. MSG's stock price will rise and fall plenty overtime, a short term spike is kind of ridiculous to credit to Lin. It's not specific to Lin. I don't know what you know about NYC, but in a city that sees split loyalties between the Mets and Yankees, Jets and Giants, Rangers and Islanders, the Knicks are the one fanbase that is just flat out DOMINANT in the area. MSG is not hard to sell out. What happened here during "Linsanity" happened for like 10 straight years in the 90s and early 00s. This team went nearly 1000 games of consecutive sellouts. You couldn't get a seat in the house for less than 100 bucks. This team does not NEED Jeremy Lin on it to be supported. They just have to be good. There is a rabid fanbase desperately waiting for it.

All of what you're saying, disappears the moment Lin doesn't win. So you're not talking about "extras" in terms or his international value. You're just talking about doubling down on his ability to win. A lot of extras come with him if he's successful. But you still have to hedge losing ALL of that if he doesn't pan out. Jeremy Lin will not be an international superstar if that knee injury is chronic, or if he's a low level starting PG or worse, a bench PG. I think I've seen enough of him to be confident that he's at the very least an NBA rotational player, but has he established himself as a no-brainer starting PG on a good team? Not to me.
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07-20-2012 at 12:37 PM.
07-20-2012 at 12:37 PM.
Shaggy,
Well, we'll see soon enough who's right. If he's a bust, good call for you and Dolan. If he plays well, then letting him go wasnt a good idea. Plain and simple.

For me, I think he can be good....not great probably. At worse, he can come off the bench and do well. Plus, you can benefit from his international AND domestic appeal with Asian ppl.

I guess you dont find that important, which is fine.
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