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Am I required to disclose this information before having sex?

7,598 277 March 29, 2007 at 05:33 AM in Question
My girlfriend was informed by her gynocologist that she has the human papillomavirus, or HPV. It's impossible to tell who had it first, but I'm most likely a carrier now as well. For those of you who don't know, HPV is a virus that's said to be a prerequisite for cervical cancer in women. Men can carry the virus, but it's nearly harmless for them.

Some HPV facts from wikipedia:
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HPV is the most common sexual transmitted infection in the United States. In the United States approximately 20-million people are currently infected with HPV about 6.2 million Americans will get infected with genital HPV this year.

24.5% prevalence of HPV among females 14 to 19 years old
44.8% prevalence of HPV among females 20 to 24 years old
27.4% prevalence of HPV among females 25 to 29 years old
27.5% prevalence of HPV among females 30 to 39 years old
25.2% prevalence of HPV among females 40 to 49 years old
19.6% prevalence of HPV among females 50 to 59 years old

In the absence of Pap testing or treatment, about 1% of women with genital HPV infections will eventually go on to develop cervical cancer.

Women who have Pap testing or other cervical cancer screenings on a regular basis dramatically decrease their chances of developing cervical cancer.

A 2006 study of 82 college students suggests that condoms can be up to 70% effective for preventing genital HPV infection if used for every sexual encounter.
Here's my question. Am I required to disclose this information before having relations with another woman? I have a feeling that everyone's kneejerk reaction will be "yes", but please consider the following. There's a huge chance that the woman already has the virus, and if she doesn't already she'll probably get it in the future*. With a condom, she probably won't get it from me anyway. With pap testing, there's a very very low risk of cancer. And quite frankly, I feel that she won't know all the facts and will think it's a bigger deal than it actually is.

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*Genital HPV infection is very common, with estimates suggesting that more than 50% of women will become infected with one or more of the sexually transmitted HPV types at some point during adulthood.[7]

The American Social Health Association projections in 2006 were yet more pessimistic, predicting that about 75% of the reproductive population will have been infected with genital HPV infection in their lifetime.
Would YOU disclose that you're an HPV carrier? (please read the wiki facts first)
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03-29-2007 at 12:39 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:39 PM.
I hate to stay on topic, but a lot of folks are hesitant to give kids this shot because they think it'll give them a free pass to have sex (yea yea education etc). The question I have is, do you think it would be proper to give it to daughters at the earliest age possible and just tell them its a vitamin shot or something?
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stimpy
03-29-2007 at 12:40 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:40 PM.
So if a woman really wanted to be evil (as I know they can be) all she would have to do would be tell a guy that she had HPV. He would have NO way of knowing or checking anything ... So the poor bastid would be warning girls for no reason. Trust me, I know women that nasty ... and the guys they abuse are not always deserving.

By the sounds of things ALL women should ALWAYS assume that ALL men are carriers and act accordingly ... after all, just 'cause one guy tells her, the next guy prolly won't and prolly wouldn't even know!
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Ram|bunc|tious
03-29-2007 at 12:42 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:42 PM.
ouch.evil.stimpy! (but so true)
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RugratsGalore
03-29-2007 at 12:42 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:42 PM.
I agree that HPV should be standard for each and every single pap, regardless if you have a history of normal paps. The only way to know for sure if you have HPV or not is to be tested for it (which can still come back negative if you were only recently exposed, which is why it should be done every single time a pap is done.)

I only brought that up because so many were saying they know they're not HPV positive, yet, they might never even have been tested but think they were.

It's something every single female should discuss with their Gyncologist at their next appointment. Ask if the HPV test is routinely done even if you have no history of an abnormal pap. I'm sure many will be surprised at the answer they receive.
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scorpioguy
03-29-2007 at 12:43 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:43 PM.
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I understand why you might be shocked that I'm so lenient about it but in reality, for me... it is not that big of a deal. I have dealt with a lot more than just HPV and precancerous cells.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't tell or shouldn't get the vaccine.

I just think that it's kind of silly that there's all this uproar over HPV when it is not fatal or anything else, but there's nothing out there about protecting yourself against chlamydia or any other STD that may not be permanent (besides the obvious- abstaining or using a condom), but can cause lots of damage to the human body if contracted once and especially multiple times.

Of course he should tell.

Of course people should get the vaccine.

But I think that more people think, "Oh my gosh... I'm dying... I have HPV... etc. etc." when it really is more than likely a dormant strain. But that's why people SHOULD get checked out... you never know if it is or it isn't. And that's why partners SHOULD share that information.

I'm not being lenient about the major issue in this thread: telling a person.

I'm not even being lenient about the vaccine.

I'm just saying... yes, it has caused people pain (myself included) but if you just buckle down and do the right thing and get your checkups and everything else, you will find that it is not as life-altering as you think it may be. At least it hasn't been for me so far. Or my mother or my sister or anyone else I know personally who has gone through the same thing I have. My mother had cryosurgery and all of that and she is happy and thriving and has 3 children.

Now for someone like GirlRacer, I think it's terrible that it happened in the way that it did and that she may not be able to have children, but she still has a chance because she went and got checked out. But I honestly have not heard any other stories personally of someone who did do the right thing and get checked out on a regular basis developing a strain this bad that they may not be able to have children.

I guess if you look beyond the words "big deal" you'll see that I really am an advocate for telling a partner, getting the vaccine, and getting checked out on a regular basis. And I honestly don't think that's lenient at all. Just my 2 cents.
ok in that case how can you justify your thread about the cancellation of your doctors appointment? you are so worked up about it. not everyone with kidney problem dies...deal with it? would that be a good response? personally i think that would be the shittiest response., but for arguments sake wouldnt that be a classic example of your side of the story? viz a vie...if it dosent kill you it probably isnt a big deal.

yea we can all tell that you are an advocate for telling the other person but at the same time you have blatantly made it a point to belittle the effects of having HPV...you said youve dealt with a lot more than HPV...so does that make it ok to talk of HPV lightly? so how do you rate maladies? is one more hurtful than the other? is being raped worse than breast cancer? does breast cancer lose out to say being beaten up to the point where you arent recognisable?(just examples of things that can happen)
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03-29-2007 at 12:43 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:43 PM.
Quote from Ram|bunc|tious :
I hate to stay on topic, but a lot of folks are hesitant to give kids this shot because they think it'll give them a free pass to have sex (yea yea education etc). The question I have is, do you think it would be proper to give it to daughters at the earliest age possible and just tell them its a vitamin shot or something?
No, I don't think lying to your kids is the way to go. I think you can tell them it's a shot that is designed to keep them from getting sick later. They don't necessarily need to know it's an STD-preventing shot as a little kid. But a vitamin? No.
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RugratsGalore
03-29-2007 at 12:44 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:44 PM.
Quote from Ram|bunc|tious :
I hate to stay on topic, but a lot of folks are hesitant to give kids this shot because they think it'll give them a free pass to have sex (yea yea education etc). The question I have is, do you think it would be proper to give it to daughters at the earliest age possible and just tell them its a vitamin shot or something?
I would give it to my girls and not tell them what it's for. Maybe not the right way to respond but I don't think they need to know until they're older and can understand better what the vaccination is for. I have a 3 year old and 11 year old. I'd get the vax for my 3 year old right now if it meant she could avoid going through what I went through.

I don't think knowing they're protected against HPV will increase girls having sex. There's still the worry of an unwanted pregnancy and other STD's to worry about. I don't feel it's an open invitiation for sex.
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03-29-2007 at 12:46 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:46 PM.
Quote from Ram|bunc|tious :
I hate to stay on topic, but a lot of folks are hesitant to give kids this shot because they think it'll give them a free pass to have sex (yea yea education etc). The question I have is, do you think it would be proper to give it to daughters at the earliest age possible and just tell them its a vitamin shot or something?
I have thought about this... such as possibly just getting it when they get other sets of shots, but eventually they will need to know for their medical history/records. I think when they are informed they've had the shot, that it should be made clear to them that just because they have received one vaccination against *one* possible STD (and not even all strains of it at that), that it is in no way going to protect them against the dozens of other possible complications from being sexually active.
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03-29-2007 at 12:47 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:47 PM.
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ok in that case how can you justify your thread about the cancellation of your doctors appointment? you are so worked up about it. not everyone with kidney problem dies...deal with it? would that be a good response? personally i think that would be the shittiest response., but for arguments sake wouldnt that be a classic example of your side of the story? viz a vie...if it dosent kill you it probably isnt a big deal.

yea we can all tell that you are an advocate for telling the other person but at the same time you have blatantly made it a point to belittle the effects of having HPV...you said youve dealt with a lot more than HPV...so does that make it ok to talk of HPV lightly? so how do you rate maladies? is one more hurtful than the other? is being raped worse than breast cancer? does breast cancer lose out to say being beaten up to the point where you arent recognisable?(just examples of things that can happen)
I know I rate things different. An example, I think being brutally murdered is far worse than passing away of old age. Right or wrong, I think a lot of people do it.
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03-29-2007 at 12:49 PM.
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I just wanted to say that I think this thread has been handled well by most, if not all, and I'm glad the OP brought it up. It's nice to know that us loungers can be serious when the moment arises, and I appreciate everyone's input Smilie
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03-29-2007 at 12:50 PM.
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Quote from RugratsGalore :
I know I rate things different. An example, I think being brutally murdered is far worse than passing away of old age. Right or wrong, I think a lot of people do it.
yea but would you say , hey i went through cervical cancer and lived to talk about it....so its not a big deal?
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03-29-2007 at 12:54 PM.
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Quote from scorpioguy :
yea but would you say , hey i went through cervical cancer and lived to talk about it....so its not a big deal?
I would never make light of any type of cancer, regardless of the cure rate because there's always someone that doesn't survive it.
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03-29-2007 at 12:56 PM.
03-29-2007 at 12:56 PM.
Quote from MrsMcDreamy :
I just wanted to say that I think this thread has been handled well by most, if not all, and I'm glad the OP brought it up. It's nice to know that us loungers can be serious when the moment arises, and I appreciate everyone's input Smilie
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03-29-2007 at 01:08 PM.
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Quote from scorpioguy :
ok in that case how can you justify your thread about the cancellation of your doctors appointment? you are so worked up about it. not everyone with kidney problem dies...deal with it? would that be a good response? personally i think that would be the shittiest response., but for arguments sake wouldnt that be a classic example of your side of the story? viz a vie...if it dosent kill you it probably isnt a big deal.

yea we can all tell that you are an advocate for telling the other person but at the same time you have blatantly made it a point to belittle the effects of having HPV...you said youve dealt with a lot more than HPV...so does that make it ok to talk of HPV lightly? so how do you rate maladies? is one more hurtful than the other? is being raped worse than breast cancer? does breast cancer lose out to say being beaten up to the point where you arent recognisable?(just examples of things that can happen)
Do me a favor and stop picking on me in every post. It's getting ridiculous.

I am not taking it lightly. Learn how to read.
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03-29-2007 at 01:43 PM.
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Quote from stimpy :
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