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Am I required to disclose this information before having sex?

7,598 277 March 29, 2007 at 05:33 AM in Question
My girlfriend was informed by her gynocologist that she has the human papillomavirus, or HPV. It's impossible to tell who had it first, but I'm most likely a carrier now as well. For those of you who don't know, HPV is a virus that's said to be a prerequisite for cervical cancer in women. Men can carry the virus, but it's nearly harmless for them.

Some HPV facts from wikipedia:
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HPV is the most common sexual transmitted infection in the United States. In the United States approximately 20-million people are currently infected with HPV about 6.2 million Americans will get infected with genital HPV this year.

24.5% prevalence of HPV among females 14 to 19 years old
44.8% prevalence of HPV among females 20 to 24 years old
27.4% prevalence of HPV among females 25 to 29 years old
27.5% prevalence of HPV among females 30 to 39 years old
25.2% prevalence of HPV among females 40 to 49 years old
19.6% prevalence of HPV among females 50 to 59 years old

In the absence of Pap testing or treatment, about 1% of women with genital HPV infections will eventually go on to develop cervical cancer.

Women who have Pap testing or other cervical cancer screenings on a regular basis dramatically decrease their chances of developing cervical cancer.

A 2006 study of 82 college students suggests that condoms can be up to 70% effective for preventing genital HPV infection if used for every sexual encounter.
Here's my question. Am I required to disclose this information before having relations with another woman? I have a feeling that everyone's kneejerk reaction will be "yes", but please consider the following. There's a huge chance that the woman already has the virus, and if she doesn't already she'll probably get it in the future*. With a condom, she probably won't get it from me anyway. With pap testing, there's a very very low risk of cancer. And quite frankly, I feel that she won't know all the facts and will think it's a bigger deal than it actually is.

Thoughts?







*Genital HPV infection is very common, with estimates suggesting that more than 50% of women will become infected with one or more of the sexually transmitted HPV types at some point during adulthood.[7]

The American Social Health Association projections in 2006 were yet more pessimistic, predicting that about 75% of the reproductive population will have been infected with genital HPV infection in their lifetime.
Would YOU disclose that you're an HPV carrier? (please read the wiki facts first)
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03-30-2007 at 08:43 AM.
03-30-2007 at 08:43 AM.
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Passionategray, I'm assuming that you're done with Scorpioguy at this point, but in case you're not..in my personal experience with him: https://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=99887&t=456504&highlight=bigger+avatar, he just shows up and attempts to get a rise out of someone. Hell, I don't even ever remember talking to the guy before he came and was a complete asshole for no reason. Don't let him get to you and everyone else should try and do the same, he obviously has issues with women, which then results in him never, ever getting laid and that makes him even angrier.
Your answers were just fine and I'm glad you're doing so well. hug
I heart you, Kimber and couldn't agree with you more.
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stimpy
03-30-2007 at 08:51 AM.
03-30-2007 at 08:51 AM.
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So i've read through the whole thread, is there really no conclusive test for men?
There really isn't, like I said - ALL women should ALWAYS assume the guy she's with could be an HPV carrier (if he's ever been with anyone before).

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I heart you, Kimber and couldn't agree with you more.
I just think that he micro-focuses on things. You could paint the world white, and he would find the one spot you missed and then right a book about it and keep bringing up how you missed it. (over looking the bigger picture that now every-thing's got freakin white paint all over it Wink ) Big Grin
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03-30-2007 at 09:00 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:00 AM.
Quote from stimpy :
There really isn't, like I said - ALL women should ALWAYS assume the guy she's with could be an HPV carrier (if he's ever been with anyone before).


I just think that he micro-focuses on things. You could paint the world white, and he would find the one spot you missed and then right a book about it and keep bringing up how you missed it. (over looking the bigger picture that now every-thing's got freakin white paint all over it Wink ) Big Grin
That's a great way to look at it and you're right about him. Great observation.
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~Kimber~
03-30-2007 at 09:16 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:16 AM.
Quote from stimpy :
There really isn't, like I said - ALL women should ALWAYS assume the guy she's with could be an HPV carrier (if he's ever been with anyone before).


I just think that he micro-focuses on things. You could paint the world white, and he would find the one spot you missed and then right a book about it and keep bringing up how you missed it. (over looking the bigger picture that now every-thing's got freakin white paint all over it Wink ) Big Grin
Obviously you didn't see my thread then. He was an insulting ass for no reason. He likes to start trouble and I am now keeping an eye on him. I don't like what he does and I don't want him driving away some poor unsuspecting n00b with his jerk behavior.
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03-30-2007 at 09:16 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:16 AM.
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So What have you decided?
Like I said a few times, I need more information before I know for sure what I'm dealing with. My GF is going to see the gyno in June and I'll prepare a few questions for her to ask her doctor. Specifically, what strain of HPV it is and if it's definitely with me for life.

Assuming it's never going to go away and it's one of the riskier strains of HPV, I think I'll handle it like this:

I will most likely disclose the information, but I'll do it in such a way that the girl knows the facts. I'll explain that a previous girlfriend of mine had the HPV virus, so it's likely that I carry it, too, but impossible to know for sure. Condoms are probably 98%* effective in preventing transmission. And for a point of reference, a woman with HPV is still roughly 20 to 100 times more likely to develop breast cancer** than any cancer involving the HPV.

The exeption to this, would be if I ever find myself in a one-time situation with a girl who smokes. I figure, if she's sleeping around she knows what's out there, and clearly doesn't care much about her health anyway.


Footnotes:

*The study on wiki showed a 70% effectiveness to prevent transmission using condoms every time. The wording (every time) seems to tell me that this means that the 70% effectiveness is for the life of the relationship. Assuming 25 sexual encounters, that will yield a 98.5% condom effectiveness per sexual encounter.

** The chance of a woman developing breast cancer in her lifetime is about 14.5%. According to Wiki, the chance of a HPV carrying woman developing cervical cancer without pap checkups is 1%. With pap smears, the chances are dramatically reduced. That phrase is ambiguous, so I'll have to interpret it myself. I'd guess the pap checkups will reduce the risk 90% on the high end to 25% on the low end. To me, that represents a realistic dramatic reduction. That corresponds to a .01-.05 ratio of cervical cancer to breast cancer in women with HPV.
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03-30-2007 at 09:34 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:34 AM.
It's a good thing that you pick out smokers to consider handing this virus off to cuz those obese, drug users, alcoholics, bulemic/anorexic women would think you were biased... or something. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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Gray.
03-30-2007 at 09:36 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:36 AM.
Quote from thegoalie :
Like I said a few times, I need more information before I know for sure what I'm dealing with. My GF is going to see the gyno in June and I'll prepare a few questions for her to ask her doctor. Specifically, what strain of HPV it is and if it's definitely with me for life.

Assuming it's never going to go away and it's one of the riskier strains of HPV, I think I'll handle it like this:

I will most likely disclose the information, but I'll do it in such a way that the girl knows the facts. I'll explain that a previous girlfriend of mine had the HPV virus, so it's likely that I carry it, too, but impossible to know for sure. Condoms are probably 98%* effective in preventing transmission. And for a point of reference, a woman with HPV is still roughly 20 to 100 times more likely to develop breast cancer** than any cancer involving the HPV.

The exeption to this, would be if I ever find myself in a one-time situation with a girl who smokes. I figure, if she's sleeping around she knows what's out there, and clearly doesn't care much about her health anyway.


Footnotes:

*The study on wiki showed a 70% effectiveness to prevent transmission using condoms every time. The wording (every time) seems to tell me that this means that the 70% effectiveness is for the life of the relationship. Assuming 25 sexual encounters, that will yield a 98.5% condom effectiveness per sexual encounter.

** The chance of a woman developing breast cancer in her lifetime is about 14.5%. According to Wiki, the chance of a HPV carrying woman developing cervical cancer without pap checkups is 1%. With pap smears, the chances are dramatically reduced. That phrase is ambiguous, so I'll have to interpret it myself. I'd guess the pap checkups will reduce the risk 90% on the high end to 25% on the low end. To me, that represents a realistic dramatic reduction. That corresponds to a .01-.05 ratio of cervical cancer to breast cancer in women with HPV.
Good research and good answer!

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It's a good thing that you pick out smokers to consider handing this virus off to cuz those obese, drug users, alcoholics, bulemic/anorexic women would think you were biased... or something. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
Maybe he said that because smokers are more likely to develop some type of cancer? Dontknow
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03-30-2007 at 09:40 AM.
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It's a good thing that you pick out smokers to consider handing this virus off to cuz those obese, drug users, alcoholics, bulemic/anorexic women would think you were biased... or something. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
Yeah, apparently OP has never smoked and doesn't know how hard it is to quit. His post was good UNTIL he mentioned freely being willing to give it to smokers.

And, for the record, smokers are more likely to aquire HPV than a non-smoker. So, you're basically guaranteeing that you'll pass it on to smokers just because you don't like the habit. Now that's mature.

What about the smokers you transmit it to that have sex with non-smokers after? Just spreading the love?
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Just Peachy
03-30-2007 at 09:41 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:41 AM.
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Maybe he said that because smokers are more likely to develop some type of cancer? Dontknow
If that's the case then his logic is severely flawed. Why hand off the possibility to contract cancer to anyone without informing them first. At least the cigarette companies post it right on their pkgs.

TheGoalie: Post your HPV status right on your pkg! Teehee
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03-30-2007 at 09:53 AM.
03-30-2007 at 09:53 AM.
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If that's the case then his logic is severely flawed. Why hand off the possibility to contract cancer to anyone without informing them first. At least the cigarette companies post it right on their pkgs.

TheGoalie: Post your HPV status right on your pkg! Teehee
Ah, I misunderstood him. I thought that he was saying something else... I didn't realize he was saying that he wouldn't tell a smoker but he would tell everyone else.

I think I thought he was saying that he wouldn't sleep with a smoker at all. Or something like that.
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03-30-2007 at 10:00 AM.
03-30-2007 at 10:00 AM.
Quote from Peachyum :
It's a good thing that you pick out smokers to consider handing this virus off to cuz those obese, drug users, alcoholics, bulemic/anorexic women would think you were biased... or something. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Thegoalie has good taste. The King doubts he would sleep with an obese, bulemic, or anorexic woman as those would be easily obvious and disgusting. Alchoholics won't care nor remember so it doesn't matter. Drug users are 50/50. If they are high group them in with the alchoholics. If they are not then he must favor them over smokers or something like that.


Sincerely,
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03-30-2007 at 10:05 AM.
03-30-2007 at 10:05 AM.
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Thegoalie has good taste. The King doubts he would sleep with an obese, bulemic, or anorexic woman as those would be easily obvious and disgusting. Alchoholics won't care nor remember so it doesn't matter. Drug users are 50/50. If they are high group them in with the alchoholics. If they are not then he must favor them over smokers or something like that.


Sincerely,
Someone who is bulemic doesn't necessarily show it. They can go for years hiding it. Alcoholics would drink, but if he doesn't, they won't either... they'll do it when they get home or before a date. He wouldn't know they were alcoholics anyway unless they professed such to him at the onset of the relationship as most alcoholics either don't know that they are or don't care that they are, but it's not something they talk openly about unless they're in recovery.
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03-30-2007 at 10:21 AM.
03-30-2007 at 10:21 AM.
What is she is one of those smokers who just smoke occasionally, when she goes out for a few drinks with her friends?
Does she still deserve HPV? Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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03-30-2007 at 10:23 AM.
03-30-2007 at 10:23 AM.
Quote from Peachyum :
Someone who is bulemic doesn't necessarily show it. They can go for years hiding it. Alcoholics would drink, but if he doesn't, they won't either... they'll do it when they get home or before a date. He wouldn't know they were alcoholics anyway unless they professed such to him at the onset of the relationship as most alcoholics either don't know that they are or don't care that they are, but it's not something they talk openly about unless they're in recovery.
I saw a program on bulemia and I was amazed... here was this healthy looking young woman who vomited every single meal. I think the only side affect that she had experienced thus far was hair loss (but her hair was so thick and long that you'd have never seen it if she didn't show her brush on the show). I think she had been doing it for years as well.. since she was a teenager.

It's sad.
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03-30-2007 at 10:24 AM.
03-30-2007 at 10:24 AM.
Quote from RugratsGalore :
Yeah, apparently OP has never smoked and doesn't know how hard it is to quit.
The reason I don't know how hard it is to quit is because I'm smart enough not to smoke in the first place. If I woke up tomorrow, addicted to cigarettes, I would quit cold turkey. End of story. I lift weights 3x a week, play racquetball 2x week, ice hockey 2x a week so I'm no stranger to making personal sacrifices in the name of health/fitness.

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And, for the record, smokers are more likely to aquire HPV than a non-smoker.
Makes perfect sense. Smokers don't care about their health, so they would be more likely to have unprotected sex.
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A So, you're basically guaranteeing that you'll pass it on to smokers just because you don't like the habit. Now that's mature.
That is absolutely NOT what I'm saying. I'm saying I'll use a condom as always, and 99 times out of 100 won't pass it on. And the reasoning isn't simply that I don't like the habit, as you suggest. Rather, smokers have already demonstrated that they prefer immediate pleasure over long term health effects.
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