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Petco 29 Gallon Aquarium Deluxe Kit $69.99 $120OFF

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Petco 29 Gallon Aquarium Deluxe Kit $69.99 Regular price is $189.99

Petco currently has Aqueon 29 Gallon Deluxe kit for sale.
Comes with Glass Aquarium with Black Trim, QuietFlowâ„¢ Power Filter, Filter Cartridge, Deluxe Fluorescent Hood, Fluorescent Bulb, Submersible Heater, Aquarium Set-up, Care Guide, Water Conditioner, Digital Thermometer, Premium Fish Food and a Fish Net


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Petco 29 Gallon Aquarium Deluxe Kit $69.99 Regular price is $189.99

Petco currently has Aqueon 29 Gallon Deluxe kit for sale.
Comes with Glass Aquarium with Black Trim, QuietFlowâ„¢ Power Filter, Filter Cartridge, Deluxe Fluorescent Hood, Fluorescent Bulb, Submersible Heater, Aquarium Set-up, Care Guide, Water Conditioner, Digital Thermometer, Premium Fish Food and a Fish Net


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Aug 13, 2012 04:20 PM
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latinyoungnAug 13, 2012 04:20 PM
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dont be scared of doing saltwater with this. I started my saltwater hobby with a 10 gallon and had it for a year before i moved up to a 75 gallon. this would be a great tank for that. you could have a nemo LOLwoot
Aug 13, 2012 04:21 PM
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DenverticketAug 13, 2012 04:21 PM
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Is it hard to maintain a saltwater fish tank? Saw the earlier post that this also may not be the best saltwater tank but would live some other SD opinions, TIA
Aug 13, 2012 04:22 PM
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7EnigmaAug 13, 2012 04:22 PM
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Quote from wavesine :
I hate to break it to you but there is no way any tank will establish a beneficial bacteria colony in 5 days to a week. It takes a minimum of a week just to get nitrosomonas growing to begin oxidizing the ammonia. It will take a minimum of another week to get nitrobacter growing to oxidize the nitrite waste produced by nitrosomonas. This is assuming ideal temperature and oxygen conditions (which rarely occur). Three weeks is generally enough time for this process to complete in a tropical aquarium unless the water is very cold and then it could take even longer.

Live plants help a little with jump starting just like adding gravel from an established tank but you still have to wait for the process to complete before adding fish. Live plants are mainly useful for utilizing the final product of the nitrogen cycle- nitrate
Not really. NitrAte is the least desirable of the nitrogen sources to the plant. They preferentially take up ammonia and so what the OP mentioned IS possible. I still heavily recommend against it because you are relying on plants (which are much more variable than bacteria) to buffer your tank from harm.

Trim the plants too heavily, don't have enough CO2 or nutrients in the water, and the plants will not be able to help enough to prevent harm.

But it is possible and some people never cycle their tanks by having a large amount of plants and ample equipment/education to make it work.

For those that don't want to take the chance here's an article I wrote a couple years ago to help those that want to fishless cycle:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/tip...ess-cycle/

As for the deal, it's meh to me. As mentioned the quality of the components are a bit suspect (low quality heaters are DANGEROUS), and the normal price is ludicrous. You'd be better off waiting until they have the good prices on bare tanks (I think they occasionally do the $1 for a gallon at PetSmart), and purchase the rest from reputable vendors. 29gallons is also the starting point to where I recommend canister filters over powerheads. You can definitely still do a powerhead (or 2), but canister filters start to come into there own at 29+). If you like the natural look pool filter sand (PFS) available at pool supply or Lowe's/HD is cheap and fantastic as long as you are willing to spend some time washing it. My home tank uses PFS and it looks great, the fish/snails love to dig through it, and it holds live plants nicely compared to gravel. My tank at work is bare-bottom to aid in easy cleanup since I'm not there on the weekends and can't take hours out of my work day to tend to it.

So basically it's an OK price for an almost complete setup but you could do better for about the same price if you are willing to piecemeal it together. One other thing is to check Craig's list. People are constantly getting rid of tanks/equipment for free or very cheap. You could score a whole setup for half this price.

HTH
Aug 13, 2012 04:23 PM
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z6joker9Aug 13, 2012 04:23 PM
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I haven't seen this mentioned yet (could have missed it) but DON'T BUY FISH AT THE SAME TIME AS THE TANK.

At the very least, get it home, get it set up, and get the temperature stable. Could it be done? Of course, but if you're new, you're not going to know the rules enough to know how to break them

Get a proper stand for it. This is more important that you think. I see a lot of stress cracks and seam leaks because of stands that do not support the tank evenly. With water, this thing will be between 200-300lbs. Nothing is worse than a tank all over the ground.

I saw someone mention that you should not use this for saltwater unless you already have a successful saltwater. I agree 100%. This is not an easy starter tank size for saltwater. Larger is easier and more stable! Plus all of the additional things you'd need to buy would cost far more than this combo pack... not even getting into fish, live rock, lighting for coral (if desired) and coral, etc. Again, it can be done, absolutely, but you're far more likely to fail and get turned off by it. Go look at how many aquariums are on CL right now.

I would do community fish in this one, period. Easy, pretty, lots of movement on all levels, etc. Goldfish and cichlids are probably too big anyway, but even if you wanted to, you'd have a boring tank with just a few fat fish that don't do much.
Aug 13, 2012 04:24 PM
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euuser1744668Aug 13, 2012 04:24 PM
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I've raised fish for a VERY long time. It's a fantastic hobby, but all I can say is that before anything ever thinks about getting into this, is to educate yourself one what's required to raise healthy and happy fish. FAR too many fish die every year because consumers dont know WTF they are doing. I've often stood at a pet store and heard some kid wanting to buy Nemo for his fishbowl, or an Oscar for his 10G. Stuff like this should be illegal. It's cruel and inhumane if you dont know what you're doing. Aquariums are a lot of work with water changes. You cant be lazy.

Biggest advice I can give you to go as big as you can. PH fluctuations are less with a greater volume of water, and your margin or error with water changes is a lot better than a 10G. 30 gallon isnt bad, but I would get something like African cichlids and maybe put 5-8 in there depending on fish size and hiding space. Thats a decent setup to not lose fish. You regular community fish arent hardy, and will die A LOT. There is too little room for mistakes with community fish IMO (like if you have to go on vacation etc).
Aug 13, 2012 04:27 PM
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uberw00tnessAug 13, 2012 04:27 PM
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Please, if you guys are going to be getting serious into saltwater aquariums, read up and join a forum like the one i joined, http://www.socalireefs.com/

There's TONS of information and lots of people willing to help out. Plus lots and lots of pictures for ideas.
Aug 13, 2012 04:30 PM
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latinyoungnAug 13, 2012 04:30 PM
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Quote from Denverticket :
Is it hard to maintain a saltwater fish tank? Saw the earlier post that this also may not be the best saltwater tank but would live some other SD opinions, TIA
when i had freshwater I could never keep a fish more then 6 months. when i got into the saltwater hobby i have kept fish for two years and counting. imho once you get a saltwater tank established (6months) they are easier to keep then freshwater. i love the hobby

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Aug 13, 2012 04:31 PM
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7EnigmaAug 13, 2012 04:31 PM
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Quote from sr71 :
and you don't need to remove the chlorine since most of it dissipates in 48hrs unless you plan to put fish in right away.

testing the water regularly and aquarium salt (yes even for fresh water you need a bit)
Quote from garrett1230 :
1. You don't need a water line hooked up. You would just add water via buckets. Make sure to treat the water with something to remove the chlorine from your tap water before adding the water to the tank.

2. It shouldn't stink as long as you clean it regularly and replace the filter pads as suggested with the instructions.

3. Beyond feeding them, you would need to do partial water changes. This involves purchasing something called a gravel vacuum that siphons water from the tank and into a bucket. You do this to remove detritus from the bottom of the tank. The frequency of cleanings depends on the amount of fish and how often you feed them. You would also want an algae pad to remove algae from the glass and some test kits to check your water parameters to ensure its safe for your fish.

Uh oh, here comes the bad/dangerous information.

1. You do need to use a dechlorinator (I recommend Prime because it's cheap and lasts forever). Many municipalities now use chloramine because it is more stable in the water (ie it doesn't evaporate). You can let this sit out all you want and it will still do harm to your fish. To make matters worse when it reacts with something the -amine is essentially ammonia which will further hurt your fish.

2. You do not need aquarium salt in a freshwater fish tank. There are fish that prefer salt (mollies, SOME puffers, etc.) but these are mild or moderate brackish fish. Putting salt into a guppy tank is NOT needed, and potentially harmful.

3. You should never replace filter pads unless they fall completely apart. The biological filter is what keeps your fish safe and that doesn't "run out" after a month or two. The filter companies only get paid if you continue to buy their inserts. Ignore that and RINSE the filters in USED TANK WATER to remove the gunk that inhibits the water flow, and then reinstall. Viola, a new filter. I've replaced a filter pad ONCE in 7 years, because it literally melted in my hand after cleaning it so many times.

4. Water changes are mandatory (this is just to reiterate, not in argument to the quoted comments). 10-50% once a week, depending on how stocked/fed/etc. When you do a water change you need to use the SAME TEMPERATURE water as in your tank. You also ideally need to add in dechlorinator PRIOR to adding the water to the tank (this is only applicable for smaller tanks where you fill with buckets). If you cannot do this or you have a huge tank that fills from a water line you need to dose the tank with enough dechlorinator for the TOTAL VOLUME OF THE TANK (very important). I do 50% changes once a week. Doesn't take much longer than a 25% water change and is a nice way to be sure the water parameters are not getting too out of whack. Topping up (only water evaporates, all the crud and toxins are still in the water) IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!

HTH
Last edited by 7Enigma August 13, 2012 at 09:35 AM.
Aug 13, 2012 04:31 PM
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garrett1230Aug 13, 2012 04:31 PM
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Quote from ninor :
Thank you guys! I will read up on other posts of this deal. In order to get a nice WOW factor looking aquiarium in a bachelor pad.. how much more would I have to invest other than this aquarium kit itself? Also, how often does the water changing and regular maintenance stuff need to be done?
Assuming you were planning on creating a fresh water tank, you won't need to spend a great deal more. You would need to purchase gravel which shouldn't cost more than $15 - $20 and the gravel vacuum or siphon can be purchased for less than $10. You will also want to purchase a couple of buckets from Home Depot to use for water changes. Be sure to purchase new buckets and keep them dedicated for use with your fish tank. Don't use them for other purposes other than adding fresh water and a separate bucket for removing the dirty water from your fish tank. Beyond that, you just need to purchase the fish. And most of the freshwater fish that would go in this tank should be relatively inexpensive.
Aug 13, 2012 04:34 PM
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RRaffaAug 13, 2012 04:34 PM
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We also carry tank stands!
Includes digital thermometer, 5" fish net, filter cartridge, 100-watt submersible heater and more.

If you ask me is not such of a great deal if you don't have a stand included...
Aug 13, 2012 04:37 PM
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BrandocAug 13, 2012 04:37 PM
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Quote from johnsonc881 :
my only question is why would anyone who lives in Honolulu, Hawaii want a fish tank?
Man, I would have the coolest tank ever if I lived in Honolulu. Put it in a sun-room and just walk down to the beach for your water changes. Sure beats buying RO water and mixing your commercialized salts every week/other week. Not to mention there are probably legal ways of obtaining fish from your area. I know people do it here at Galveston, but those tanks have got to be depressing...
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FAMIRAug 13, 2012 04:42 PM
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Quote from enforcer2133 :
A stand
yes, a stand. I'm putting my 10 gallon on a shelf, and didn't use the filter I have, because with water spill out by the filter, the wood shelf will be damaged, which is a extremely high cost to me, so the only goldfish is suffering there. But with little kids, I'm also worried they will try to climb the stand, which is a even worse water damage problem to wood floor... when the last goldfish died, I'll get some hermet crab instead.
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Quote from 7Enigma :
Uh oh, here comes the bad/dangerous information.



2. You do not need aquarium salt in a freshwater fish tank. There are fish that prefer salt (mollies, SOME puffers, etc.) but these are mild or moderate brackish fish. Putting salt into a guppy tank is NOT needed, and potentially harmful.
Check your own facts guppies are a species that prefers slightly alkaline water and frequently breed in brackish ponds.
Aug 13, 2012 04:47 PM
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z6joker9Aug 13, 2012 04:47 PM
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Quote from 7Enigma :
2. You do not need aquarium salt in a freshwater fish tank. There are fish that prefer salt (mollies, SOME puffers, etc.) but these are mild or moderate brackish fish. Putting salt into a guppy tank is NOT needed, and potentially harmful.

3. You should never replace filter pads unless they fall completely apart. The biological filter is what keeps your fish safe and that doesn't "run out" after a month or two. The filter companies only get paid if you continue to buy their inserts. Ignore that and RINSE the filters in USED TANK WATER to remove the gunk that inhibits the water flow, and then reinstall. Viola, a new filter. I've replaced a filter pad ONCE in 7 years, because it literally melted in my hand after cleaning it so many times.

4. Water changes are mandatory (this is just to reiterate, not in argument to the quoted comments). 10-50% once a week, depending on how stocked/fed/etc. I do 50% changes once a week. Doesn't take much longer than a 25% water change and is a nice way to be sure the water parameters are not getting too out of whack. Topping up (only water evaporates, all the crud and toxins are still in the water) IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!
Just some comments on these. You'll find that just about every fish keeper has their own opinions, so it's not always a right/wrong thing, sometimes there is a lot of gray. Also, lots of people succeed in spite of breaking "rules", which causes a lot of misinformation on top of it all.

2. I would say this depends on your water source. RO or DI would almost certainly see benefit (if not necessary) in adding some salt and minerals added back. Tap? Depends on your area! If you have outrageously hard water, maybe none is needed. They can test for that for free. A few tablespoons of aquarium salt doesn't get it anywhere near a brackish environment. The natural environment of a guppy does have plenty of dissolved minerals in it. It's like $2 for a box of salt. Just add some salt.

3. Well, there are different types of filtration. Mechanical filters, correct, as long as they are in good shape, keep using them. But depending on how you clean them, you might be killing anything biological on it. Biological, which most filters don't target with a specific media, almost never has to be changed and should almost never be "cleaned". Chemical (in this case, carbon) should absolutely be replaced frequently

Yes, the biological part is what keeps the fish healthy, but the chemical and mechanical parts keep it attractive for you. You don't "need" carbon but it can help with clarity, smell, oil sheen on top, etc. Higher end filters will allow you to replace various forms of filtration separately, but most of the cheap ones just stash carbon in a filter pouch, which you replace all at once.

4. Water changes... 50% a week? JEEZ. I'd be a little more careful about your controlled environment. Any benefit you get by such frequent, large water changes is probably countered by the stress you put it through so regularly. Water changes remove nitrate, so the frequency needed depends on the stocking levels, feeding schedule, etc. If you're replacing 50% weekly because you need to, it's outrageously overstocked. And on the necessity of water changes- I have a saltwater tank set it so specifically that it hasn't needed a water change in several years.

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z6joker9Aug 13, 2012 04:52 PM
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Quote from garrett1230 :
Assuming you were planning on creating a fresh water tank, you won't need to spend a great deal more. You would need to purchase gravel which shouldn't cost more than $15 - $20 and the gravel vacuum or siphon can be purchased for less than $10. You will also want to purchase a couple of buckets from Home Depot to use for water changes. Be sure to purchase new buckets and keep them dedicated for use with your fish tank. Don't use them for other purposes other than adding fresh water and a separate bucket for removing the dirty water from your fish tank. Beyond that, you just need to purchase the fish. And most of the freshwater fish that would go in this tank should be relatively inexpensive.
Agreed here. I will add that you can get a gravel vac with a long hose that attaches to the sink, kind of like an old water bed fill/drain. It was one of my favorite fish tank investments. You probably won't want to fill from it (with fish in it) until you know what you're doing and what your water is like, but eventually you can. In addition, you can create a more "natural" looking environment by using pea gravel from Lowes for much cheaper, and large rocks from a landscaping place instead of silly neon colored decor hooked to bubblers. Spray paint the back of the tank blue or black instead of taping one of those tacky backgrounds on it. Let the emphasis be on the fish.

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