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Is it ok to fill an McDonalds Ice Coffee Cup with Soda?

628 181 October 23, 2012 at 02:54 PM in Grocery
So its been bugging me but I dunno if someone could answer this.

My friends and I like to hang out at a McDonalds because we're hooked on the Iced Coffee as its cheap.

I typically order a large Ice coffee but sometimes I finish it early. I went to fill it with soda and a lady (another fellow customer) gave me a comment about how I shouldn't be doing that and should purchase a fountain drink cup (McDonalds has that $1 any size fountain drink going on)
I ignored her but its been bugging me.

Is it appropriate to just empty the left-over ice out of the cup and fill it with something from the Self-Serve Fountain Drink dispenser? (I understand its ok if I fill it with water)

What do you guys think?

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10-24-2012 at 12:24 AM.
10-24-2012 at 12:24 AM.
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That said, if someone purchased an iced coffee, the profit margin for that drink probably wouldn't be as much as the soda since an employee has to blend it up (for frappes) and add a cherry and whipped cream on top. When you then "steal" soda (which it certainly is!), then you cut into their profit margin even more so.
Woah woah woah. McD's premium coffees are one of their biggest profit making items. A little coffee (and I do mean little), some milk, lots of sugar and a few button presses = loads of cash. I would be really surprised if they weren't more profitable than soda, given that they sell large drinks for $1.

I mean yeah, it's technically "stealing" but if you take a few extra napkins they probably "lose" the same amount.
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10-24-2012 at 09:46 AM.
10-24-2012 at 09:46 AM.
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Woah woah woah. McD's premium coffees are one of their biggest profit making items. A little coffee (and I do mean little), some milk, lots of sugar and a few button presses = loads of cash. I would be really surprised if they weren't more profitable than soda, given that they sell large drinks for $1.

I mean yeah, it's technically "stealing" but if you take a few extra napkins they probably "lose" the same amount.
I never said that McD's didn't make a profit from coffee sales. I was comparing the profit margin to soda sales. And, I would think that any restaurant's cost for a cup of soda would be far less than a cup of premium coffee that may have whipped cream and mocha flavored syrup (chocolate).

When you consider a frappe, you also have to consider the labor since one of the employees will have to put it into a blender and blend it up for a minute or two. Whereas, self serve soda costs very little to make and very little to maintain since it's "self serve". An employee just needs to make sure the machine has syrup throughout the day.

Note, milk and cream certainly costs more than carbonated water and soda syrup. I have friends and family who own restaurants and eateries. They tell me how soda costs them almost nothing and is nearly all profit. Despite being a money maker for restaurants, I still don't think coffee's cost is lower than soda.
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redmaxx
10-24-2012 at 10:02 AM.
10-24-2012 at 10:02 AM.
Quote from z2g :
I never said that McD's didn't make a profit from coffee sales. I was comparing the profit margin to soda sales. And, I would think that any restaurant's cost for a cup of soda would be far less than a cup of premium coffee that may have whipped cream and mocha flavored syrup (chocolate).

When you consider a frappe, you also have to consider the labor since one of the employees will have to put it into a blender and blend it up for a minute or two. Whereas, self serve soda costs very little to make and very little to maintain since it's "self serve". An employee just needs to make sure the machine has syrup throughout the day.

Note, milk and cream certainly costs more than carbonated water and soda syrup. I have friends and family who own restaurants and eateries. They tell me how soda costs them almost nothing and is nearly all profit. Despite being a money maker for restaurants, I still don't think coffee's cost is lower than soda.
I agree that the cost for coffee is higher, but the cost for soda syrup, carbonation, water, filtration, cup, straws and machine maintenance is probably closer to that $1 than you realize. And when you consider that the price of the coffee drinks is vastly higher, I'm pretty sure that the coffee rakes in nearly as much, probably more, profit. As far as labor, meh. I've watched them, they spend maybe 30 seconds preparing a frappe, doing other things along the way. A quick Google search shows McDonald's and analysts citing frappes as a reason for their growth and profits over the last few years.
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10-24-2012 at 10:13 AM.
10-24-2012 at 10:13 AM.
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I agree that the cost for coffee is higher, but the cost for soda syrup, carbonation, water, filtration, cup, straws and machine maintenance is probably closer to that $1 than you realize. And when you consider that the cost of the coffee drinks is vastly higher, I'm pretty sure that the coffee rakes in nearly as much, probably more, profit.
Well, I'm just going by what my friends and family in the restaurant industry tell me. And they tell me that a cup/glass of soda costs them almost nothing. I'm sure they are considering the cost of the soda syrup, water, carbonation, and equipment too.

By the way though, coffee also has costs too besides the coffee beans. And, I think they kind of even themselves out since coffee and frappes require blenders, coffee makers, cream/milk, sugar, filters, cups, whipped cream, etc.

Also consider though, how many ppl at McD's order coffee and how many order soda. I'm pretty sure the number of soda drinkers far outnumber the coffee drinkers despite its coffee's apparent popularity. So, I think if you break down the numbers (cost to the store and gross profit of sales) for coffee sales and soda sales, I think soda is more profitable since they sell more soda and it requires less "labor" to serve and maintain. You say it takes the McD's employee 30 secs. to make a frappe. Well, how much time does it take the employee to pour a cup of soda for the customer or hand them an empty cup for the self serve soda machine?

The bottom line though is that if you order a McD's frappe, you shouldn't feel that it entitles you to free soda as well. That makes absolutely no sense.
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10-24-2012 at 10:19 AM.
10-24-2012 at 10:19 AM.
Quote from z2g :
Well, I'm just going by what my friends and family in the restaurant industry tell me. And they tell me that a cup/glass of soda costs them almost nothing. I'm sure they are considering the cost of the soda syrup, water, carbonation, and equipment too.
Last I heard from someone in a position to know, a large soda (not including cup/lid/straw) cost them about six cents. This was a decade ago, not sure how much it would have changed since then.
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10-24-2012 at 10:20 AM.
10-24-2012 at 10:20 AM.
Quote from z2g :
Well, I'm just going by what my friends and family in the restaurant industry tell me. And they tell me that a cup/glass of soda costs them almost nothing. I'm sure they are considering the cost of the soda syrup, water, carbonation, and equipment too.
Agreed. But the price they're charging is almost nothing too and they give out free refills.

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Also consider though, how many ppl at McD's order coffee and how many order soda. I'm pretty sure the number of soda drinkers far outnumber the coffee drinkers despite its coffee's apparent popularity. So, I think if you break down the numbers (cost to the store and gross profit of sales) for coffee sales and soda sales, I think soda is more profitable since they sell more soda and it requires less "labor" to serve and maintain. You say it takes the McD's employee 30 secs. to make a frappe. Well, how much time does it take the employee to pour a cup of soda for the customer or hand them an empty cup for the self serve soda machine?
You make a good point with the number of soda drinkers vs. blended coffee drinkers. And yet, McDonald's and analysts cite the frappe as responsible for growth and profit recently:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/201...omers.html

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/10/n.../index.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/mo...54427002/1

I'm just not seeing the fanfare over $1 large drinks buoying McDonald's profits and sales.

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The bottom line though is that if you order a McD's frappe, you shouldn't feel that it entitles you to free soda as well. That makes absolutely no sense.
Well yeah. But my heart bleeds for them when it does happen. laugh out loud
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10-24-2012 at 10:31 AM.
10-24-2012 at 10:31 AM.
Quote from redmaxx :
Agreed. But the price they're charging is almost nothing too and they give out free refills.



You make a good point with the number of soda drinkers vs. blended coffee drinkers. And yet, McDonald's and analysts cite the frappe as responsible for growth and profit recently:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/201...omers.html

http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/10/n.../index.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/mo...54427002/1

I'm just not seeing the fanfare over $1 large drinks buoying McDonald's profits and sales.



Well yeah. But my heart bleeds for them when it does happen. laugh out loud
I do agree that McD's was genius with regards to their premium coffees. They knew how popular coffee was and gave consumers a cheap and decent alternative to Starbucks. Hence, A LOT of ppl I know now go to McD's for their daily coffee/frappe fix when they used to go to Starbucks before. And these ppl didn't frequent McD's at all previously! So smart!

And so, other fast food joints are following suit. Because, they also see it as a money maker and a way to get consumers to go to the business and perhaps order other items on the menu. So, I do agree that the premium coffees and frappes are responsible for McD's recent growth and profit. However, it doesn't belie the fact that soda is a money maker for them too. Soda is just one of those stagnant, unchanging money makers for them. And with large corporations, their main goal is always to increase profits and growth from previous years. That's what they care about.....increased growth and market shares in the industry.
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10-24-2012 at 10:31 AM.
10-24-2012 at 10:31 AM.
Yeah, a large cup of soda costs pennies to McDonalds. Coffee costs them MUCH more.
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10-24-2012 at 11:46 AM.
10-24-2012 at 11:46 AM.
Quote from Frogstar :
Last I heard from someone in a position to know, a large soda (not including cup/lid/straw) cost them about six cents. This was a decade ago, not sure how much it would have changed since then.
It's about double or maybe even more. The syrup and bottles of CO2 continues to go up in price.
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10-24-2012 at 01:11 PM.
10-24-2012 at 01:11 PM.
Man, I think some of you guys need to go order an iced coffee and take a look at how they make it. hehe

The process is a shovel of ice, a squirt of creamer (imagine those large ketchup containers with the push down squirt nozzle on top), squirt of syrup, and fill it with coffee and stir once or twice with a spoon and cap on the lid.
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10-24-2012 at 01:13 PM.
10-24-2012 at 01:13 PM.
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Man, I think some of you guys need to go order an iced coffee and take a look at how they make it. hehe

The process is a shovel of ice, a squirt of creamer (imagine those large ketchup containers with the push down squirt nozzle on top), squirt of syrup, and fill it with coffee and stir once or twice with a spoon and cap on the lid.
The frappe drinks are slightly more involved, but still doesn't occupy much employee time.
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10-24-2012 at 01:14 PM.
10-24-2012 at 01:14 PM.
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The frappe drinks are slightly more involved, but still doesn't occupy much employee time.
Yep, put it in a blender and add whippy to the top, done!
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10-24-2012 at 01:15 PM.
10-24-2012 at 01:15 PM.
Yeah considering my drink is already done the moment I'm taking the cash out of my wallet
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10-24-2012 at 01:16 PM.
10-24-2012 at 01:16 PM.
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Man, I think some of you guys need to go order an iced coffee and take a look at how they make it. hehe

The process is a shovel of ice, a squirt of creamer (imagine those large ketchup containers with the push down squirt nozzle on top), squirt of syrup, and fill it with coffee and stir once or twice with a spoon and cap on the lid.
And, do you think all those ingredients are free? Also, we were talking about the frappes too.

But, I'm curious....what is your response to my Olive Garden analogy with the endless pasta bowl promotion? Would you think it's okay to order a regular pasta entree but expect to get the endless bowl of pasta with it too?

If I went to a bar and ordered a Gin & Tonic, should I expect to get free soda refills after I finish my drink?
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10-24-2012 at 01:31 PM.
10-24-2012 at 01:31 PM.
I'm not exactly still bent over it since I do agree with the point people made. Hence why I'm not trying refute those examples.

I guess I'm wondering where it lies because if we were to strictly follow the idea if for example I fill it with water, ice, or carbonated water (yeah I know no one uses that tab on the machine. Its just nasty by itself), then it would also be stealing water or ice.


LOLOL I just thought if I really was an extremely poor college student, I prolly could fill it with carbonated water, sugar and throw in a couple lemon slices. (Seriously though, even I wouldnt go that far)
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