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Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

559 41 August 30, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Original article from Lexington Herald Leader [kentucky.com]
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
[email protected]

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
David Stephenson | Staff
Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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Reach Linda Blackford at (859) 231-1359 or [email protected].



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08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
Quote from TigerStar :
I choose to see a VS fashion show (or just the magazines, don't judge me). If I am sitting in a restaurant, I don't want to see a breastfeeding mother. Would it be okay if my wife goes down on me? You'd only see anything when she started and when she finished. The rest of the time my cock would be covered.
Trust me on this... your wife doesn't need to go down on you to survive. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Babies need to eat, and not everyone can pump effectively. I was a terrible pumper, so bringing a bottle wasn't an option for me. I refuse to be a hermit for the first 9 months to a year of my child's life because someone else can't be a grown up and look away while I nourish my child.
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08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
Quote from appleyum :
It's all about the nipple. I am not sure why breasts - nipples = OK but as soon breasts + nipples = forbidden. Odd things is guys got nipples also Scratchhead I am not exactly sure how that equation works



Or tell her if she is going to flash she has to share with everyone in the restaurant laugh out loud
Yep, the nipple is what freaks people out. Remember "Nipple Gate", Janet Jackson?

I saw a bunch of guys at the beach last week, walking around shirtless, with bigger jugs than most of the women. I wish someone had asked THEM to cover up! laugh out loud
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08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
Quote from appleyum :
Psst this case was in a restaurant. So the cases you gave and happens in a restaurant ...probably yes or asked to be moved. Same case with smoking in restaurant. You usually ask the waiter/waitress.
Nono1 If I am wearing a tshirt that says something offensive on it, I will not move an inch out of my seat, even if asked by management.

It's not the same thing as smoking -- if I'm smoking in a corner, it'll spread throughout the whole restaurant, so your argument is incorrect. Smoking also causes damage to other people, while in the breast feeding case, just turn your head the other way and it's over.

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That pretty close to what she did...showing to everyone aka public
Nono1 She was sitting in a booth, facing away from people so no one would notice.
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08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:14 AM.
Quote from finzz2dlft :
It is absurd to try and compare nudity and sex (aka, TS's "swinging penis") with feeding a baby. C'mon, people.
I wasn't having sex with my penis, I just want to swing it in public. Nothing sexual about it.
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08-30-2007 at 11:15 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:15 AM.
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This is an excellent video that will help clarify this for many: Click here [youtube.com]
Nono1 i think ive built up an subconcious action to check all links that you post
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08-30-2007 at 11:16 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:16 AM.
Quote from AggieMomx2 :
Trust me on this... your wife doesn't need to go down on you to survive. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Babies need to eat, and not everyone can pump effectively. I was a terrible pumper, so bringing a bottle wasn't an option for me. I refuse to be a hermit for the first 9 months to a year of my child's life because someone else can't be a grown up and look away while I nourish my child.
Getting slightly OT, but there is always formula. All I was saying is that the act of breastfeeding is not essential to survival for the baby.
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finzz2dlft
08-30-2007 at 11:16 AM.
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Quote from TigerStar :
I wasn't having sex with my penis, I just want to swing it in public. Nothing sexual about it.
In most of your comments, you made references to having your penis out to either masturbate or to recieve oral sex. That's what I was referring to.
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08-30-2007 at 11:16 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:16 AM.
OP can you add a poll to this thread so see how many people think it's OK and how many think it's not
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08-30-2007 at 11:17 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:17 AM.
Quote from TigerStar :
Getting slightly OT, but there is always formula. All I was saying is that the act of breastfeeding is not essential to survival for the baby.
Some kids can't tolerate formula. Mine hated it and would spit it out if I tried to give it to them. Nice try, though. nod
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08-30-2007 at 11:17 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:17 AM.
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Damn you. I actually hit that friggin' line AGAIN
Now that horribly repetitive song will be in my mind all day - !!laugh out loud laugh out loud laugh out loud laugh out loud

LMAO LMAO But what a great song to be running through your head..huh? Grin

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What penis? Nobody can see it at that size Stick Out Tongue

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08-30-2007 at 11:18 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:18 AM.
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Why would someone complain though? You don't like it don't look at it, it's that simple.
I have to agree with the restaurant on this one. Since a restaurant has many patrons, it has to accommodate the wishes of all parties. Perhaps the patron that complained didn't want to have his young boy be present while a woman was bare-chested. I think that's perfectly normal. What if it was against the person's religion?

The bottom line is that the woman should have been more understanding instead of being so selfish. She could have EASILY covered herself with a jacket, sweater, towel, blanket, etc. while still breastfeeding. I'm a new father myself and you can't tell me that she didn't have a receiving blanket, towel, or something in her baby tote bag that she could have used. CERTAINLY, the restaurant did NOT prohibit her from breastfeeding. It ONLY asked her to show some decency for other patrons in the restaurant who may not like the idea of dining at a nudie bar.

As far as quoting state laws that prohibit interfering with a woman breastfeeding, let's see how fast the state authorities react if she was at a function with the President nearby and she just whipped out her breast to feed her baby. I'm CERTAIN they would ask her to show some restraint and etiquette and cover up or go into a private room.
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Some kids can't tolerate formula. Mine hated it and would spit it out if I tried to give it to them. Nice try, though. nod
You tried only 1 type/brand of formula?
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08-30-2007 at 11:19 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:19 AM.
Quote from IVIax :
Nono1 If I am wearing a tshirt that says something offensive on it, I will not move an inch out of my seat, even if asked by management.

It's not the same thing as smoking -- if I'm smoking in a corner, it'll spread throughout the whole restaurant, so your argument is incorrect. Smoking also causes damage to other people, while in the breast feeding case, just turn your head the other way and it's over.



Nono1 She was sitting in a booth, facing away from people so no one would notice.
Management has the option to ask you to leave or refuse to serve you. Or worst call the cops on you.

My first part was referring your logic of confronting the offender. In all the cases I gave you usually people don't confront the offender including the cigarette.

But someone did or else there wouldn't be a case
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08-30-2007 at 11:19 AM.
08-30-2007 at 11:19 AM.
Quote from TigerStar :
Getting slightly OT, but there is always formula. All I was saying is that the act of breastfeeding is not essential to survival for the baby.

Not all babies can handle formula, and they shouldn't have to in order to keep some guys fantasy's from running amok.
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08-30-2007 at 11:20 AM.
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You tried only 1 type/brand of formula?
Why pay for something I can make for free? I'm a SlickDealer, remember?? laugh out loud Formula is expensive.

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Not all babies can handle formula, and they shouldn't have to in order to keep some guys fantasy's from running amok.
Iagree
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