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Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

559 41 August 30, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Original article from Lexington Herald Leader [kentucky.com]
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
[email protected]

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
David Stephenson | Staff
Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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Reach Linda Blackford at (859) 231-1359 or [email protected].



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08-31-2007 at 09:57 AM.
08-31-2007 at 09:57 AM.
Quote from finzz2dlft :
Well, in my case, it's just the opposite. I breast fed, my friends breast fed, my relatives breast fed........in my world, breast feeding *is* the norm.
Do you hang with people who mostly don't work full time or out of their house? I was the only one in my family and friends to breastfeed. By the third kid, I had to be back at work within 5 weeks and just couldn't breastfeed. I used to pump with the second kid but I only worked part time and even that was pretty hard on both of us. Anyone who works fulltime ( that would be most of us) finds it truly difficult to sit in a room by yourself at lunch hour pumping your breasts. It's becomes a very lonely existence and not fair to the mother or child. That's why most people stop even though they have the best intentions. Breastfeeding may be shown to be better for the child nutritionally but I have had the exact opposite findings in my family. Formula fed child is way more healthy with natural immunities. Always was satisfied and happy. The kid never gets sick! and she is by far the most alert.
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Melmo
08-31-2007 at 10:02 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:02 AM.
I have never been around anyone that breastfed. My mother had 12 kids, none of us were breastfed. I tried to breastfeed, but either I couldn't do it, or maybe I was doing it wrong? I was only 18, first time mom and I remember it HURTING and I was CRYING in pain and we decided that it was not our best choice to continue.
I would have loved to breast feed. I felt very close to my child when I did try, aside from the pain.
IF we do end up having another child, I'd like to try again. I'd definitely do more classes and prepare myself better.
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08-31-2007 at 10:09 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:09 AM.
Quote from Melmo :
I have never been around anyone that breastfed. My mother had 12 kids, none of us were breastfed. I tried to breastfeed, but either I couldn't do it, or maybe I was doing it wrong? I was only 18, first time mom and I remember it HURTING and I was CRYING in pain and we decided that it was not our best choice to continue.
I would have loved to breast feed. I felt very close to my child when I did try, aside from the pain.
IF we do end up having another child, I'd like to try again. I'd definitely do more classes and prepare myself better.
The same thing happened to my sister. She was 20 when she had her son and nobody was there to help her figure out what she was doing wrong. After I had my oldest and was able to nurse him successfully (I am blessed to have a lactation consultant as my friend) - she tried with her second kid 10 yrs later. She nursed him until he was a little over a year old. She had to call lactation consultants over a time or two, but she quickly figured it all out. She was so mad at herself for not reaching out for more help with the first one, but she was so overwhelmed with being a new mom so young.

I know you'll be successful the next time, Mel - a support system makes all the difference! hug
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08-31-2007 at 10:11 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:11 AM.
Wow...congratulations on your completely objective poll. You're not going to get any skewed results that will reinforce your own viewpoint at all!
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08-31-2007 at 10:11 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:11 AM.
Quote from AggieMomx2 :
The same thing happened to my sister. She was 20 when she had her son and nobody was there to help her figure out what she was doing wrong. After I had my oldest and was able to nurse him successfully (I am blessed to have a lactation consultant as my friend) - she tried with her second kid 10 yrs later. She nursed him until he was a little over a year old. She had to call lactation consultants over a time or two, but she quickly figured it all out. She was so mad at herself for not reaching out for more help with the first one, but she was so overwhelmed with being a new mom so young.

I know you'll be successful the next time, Mel - a support system makes all the difference! hug
Than may I ask - If this is "the most natural experience" why are there even lactation consulatants?
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Melmo
08-31-2007 at 10:16 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:16 AM.
After working in our hospital here in town, I realized that I got NONE of the help I was supposed to when I started breastfeeding. The hospital i worked at had a lactation consultant that would go in there and work with the mothers for HOURS on end if they needed it. The hospital I birthed at did not do ANY of that. They never offered to help me and never asked me how i was doing. I just remember how bad it hurt to breastfeed and with my 2nd one I never wanted to try it again. Until now, I never realized that I should have asked for help and that it's not supposed to hurt like that! Or BLEED like that! (I was so sore and bleeding and ended up getting infected too!)
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Autumn | Staff
08-31-2007 at 10:16 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:16 AM.
Hmmm...I wonder which side the poll maker is on? laugh out loud Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Babies Should Not Eat...Evah..FTW! woot
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Melmo
08-31-2007 at 10:16 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:16 AM.
Quote from Autumn :
Hmmm...I wonder which side the poll maker is on? laugh out loud Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Babies Should Not Eat...Evah..FTW! woot
neither should men waving their penises in public.
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08-31-2007 at 10:20 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:20 AM.
Quote from Melmo :
neither should men waving their penises in public.
laugh out loud I bet you would in the least look, though.
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08-31-2007 at 10:21 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:21 AM.
Quote from KimbersTimber :
laugh out loud I bet you would in the least look, though.
I won't deny it..I sure would.
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08-31-2007 at 10:24 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:24 AM.
Quote from veritableqndry :
Is it a hard cheese or a soft cheese?
What kind of crackers would you serve with it?
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08-31-2007 at 10:25 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:25 AM.
Quote from Melmo :
neither should men waving their penises in public.
I think we've reached a solution!

Babies never eat and men never wag their penises in public! woot

(Ok...I must make an amendment to this. If John Stamos or Ewan McGregor wanted to wag their penises in public...I would do my very best not to be offended. Sly )

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What kind of crackers would you serve with it?
Saltines?
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08-31-2007 at 10:27 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:27 AM.
Quote from #sevenstinks :
Than may I ask - If this is "the most natural experience" why are there even lactation consulatants?
Natural does not necessarily mean easy. It is a skill that must be learned, and if there is someone to help the process get started it's a lot easier. Sure it can be done w/o a LC, but knowing the proper holds lessens pain in the early days and encourages mom to stay with it. After the first few weeks there is no pain and rarely a need for a lactation consultant.
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08-31-2007 at 10:45 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:45 AM.
This issue keeps getting brought up again and I think the pro-breastfeeding here MUST understand. We are NOT stating that breastfeeding is bad! We are just saying that if you're in a public place, where ppl may be offended and have complained to the business owner, please show some courtesy and cover up. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT FEED YOUR BABY!

Ppl PLEASE get that fact straight. I honestly think ppl are just getting on this thread and NOT reading carefully what is written by other ppl. You can't state an argument/reply if you don't even know what the other person you are responding to is saying!

Once again, this is NOT a pro-breastfeeding/anti-breastfeeding discussion! It is an issue of showing courtesy and modesty for other ppl when asked to do so. That is the bottom line.....NOT breastfeeding or feeding your child....GEEZ!

By the way, the above poll is SUPER lame. How about some other simple options that EVERY parent deals with everyday.....like when they know they are going out, they will pump beforehand, store it in a coldpack, and can feed their baby with a bottle? How much does it cost to pump you may ask? Hand pumps can be purchased for $20. Or you can rent it from the hospital for about $10 per week. Another simple solution is to cover up. Since it's in a restaurant, I am CERTAIN it will be very comfortable inside the restaurant. I highly DOUBT it will be 90 degrees in the restaurant as the above poll indicates!

Ppl, this is all about compromise. If you can't do that, then you will FAIL in all aspects in life!
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08-31-2007 at 10:50 AM.
08-31-2007 at 10:50 AM.
Quote from z2g :
This issue keeps getting brought up again and I think the pro-breastfeeding here MUST understand. We are NOT stating that breastfeeding is bad! We are just saying that if you're in a public place, where ppl may be offended and have complained to the business owner, please show some courtesy and cover up. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT FEED YOUR BABY!

Ppl PLEASE get that fact straight. I honestly think ppl are just getting on this thread and NOT reading carefully what is written by other ppl. You can't state an argument/reply if you don't even know what the other person you are responding to is saying!

Once again, this is NOT a pro-breastfeeding/anti-breastfeeding discussion! It is an issue of showing courtesy and modesty for other ppl when asked to do so. That is the bottom line.....NOT breastfeeding or feeding your child....GEEZ!
So basically...what you're saying is...you think Breastfeeding is bad? Wink

Honestly...I don't think anyone has said that it's bad..at least not that I can see..although some people may have misconstrued that.
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