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Engine mysteriously died in a new car - how can I turn it to my advantage?

1,185 414 May 14, 2013 at 08:36 PM in Chat
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Six weeks ago, I bought a brand new car, with warranty and all that other good stuff. Two days ago, as I was driving on a highway, the coolant light came on, followed by an engine light, followed by my car dying just a minute later.

After it got towed to the dealership, they said the cause was a leaking radiator hose. (Keep in mind, the car is 6 weeks old and has only 850 miles on it!) After they replaced it, it kept acting up, so they decided to hold it a bit longer. (They got me a rental car in the meantime.)

When I called them earlier today to see if they had any updates, I was told this: "Oh, hi there. Uh, we don't really know what's wrong with your car, so we decided to replace the whole engine! Smilie Smilie Smilie We'll get a brand new one tomorrow and it'll be good to go by Thursday! Smilie Smilie Smilie "

When I asked what exactly was wrong, they just kept repeating the same thing. I don't know a whole lot about cars, but a friend told me that getting a replacement engine pretty much destroys the car's resale value because people will wonder what else might be wrong with it. Is that correct? Logically, it would seem that, for example, a 10-year-old car with a 1-year-old engine is better than a 10-year-old car with a 10-year-old engine, but consumer psychology is a strange animal.

Personally, I plan on driving the car for 10 years and 120,000 miles (it's got an extended warranty) before I trade it in, so the resale value isn't a big deal for me. That said, is there any way I can spin this to get some major freebies (e.g., get the car company to shave off a few grand off my loan balance) or something along those lines? Right now, they're just paying for my rental car and nothing else. Given the sheer immensity of this colossal fark-up, though, it seems to me that they owe me a lot more than that.

Got any comments, advice or suggestions?
Thanks!

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bszelda
05-16-2013 at 09:39 PM.
05-16-2013 at 09:39 PM.
That's pretty bad quality control for a new car with less than 1k miles on it to have a radiator leak... My mom bought a brand new 1989 Pontiac Grand Am. That was the worst car I have ever seen in terms of quality. I think that car had to have over 20 alternators replaced via lifetime warranty in addition to a new engine, new transmission, new A/C system, and much more... Even the tires that she first bought for them for their first replacement had wires showing at around 2k to 3k miles on them.

Anyway, even if I had the money to ever consider getting a new car, I probably would never get one due to the huge drop in value when you drive it off the lot. I would maybe get a car that is 2 years old or something...
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JustARandomGuy2015
05-16-2013 at 09:43 PM.
05-16-2013 at 09:43 PM.
Quote from bszelda :
That's pretty bad quality control for a new car with less than 1k miles on it to have a radiator leak... My mom bought a brand new 1989 Pontiac Grand Am. That was the worst car I have ever seen in terms of quality. I think that car had to have over 20 alternators replaced via lifetime warranty in addition to a new engine, new transmission, new A/C system, and much more... Even the tires that she first bought for them for their first replacement had wires showing at around 2k to 3k miles on them.

Anyway, even if I had the money to ever consider getting a new car, I probably would never get one due to the huge drop in value when you drive it off the lot. I would maybe get a car that is 2 years old or something...
Purely depends on where you live, 2-3year old car is only 1k less than new cars in my general area. maybe 2k

not worth it imho.
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bszelda
05-16-2013 at 09:46 PM.
05-16-2013 at 09:46 PM.
Quote from FreedomPenguin :
Purely depends on where you live, 2-3year old car is only 1k less than new cars in my general area. maybe 2k

not worth it imho.
It seems that in my area, $20k cars will drop to something like $17k or less after driving them off the lot. I guess you could haggle with the dealerships though to get a good price. Stick Out Tongue
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tennisplayer888
05-16-2013 at 11:08 PM.
05-16-2013 at 11:08 PM.
One solution here, you dont tell them...

Quote from FreedomPenguin :
Purely depends on where you live, 2-3year old car is only 1k less than new cars in my general area. maybe 2k

not worth it imho.
Do they have a lot of dealerships up in AK? Anything high-end?
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medicchick
05-17-2013 at 12:08 AM.
05-17-2013 at 12:08 AM.
Quote from tennisplayer888 :
Do they have a lot of dealerships up in AK? Anything high-end?
There is a Mercedes and a Lexus dealers in Anchorage that I can think of off hand for "luxury" cars. Two Chevys places, Worthington Ford, Toyota place, Jeep, Subaru (of course), most of the main car makers. Fairbanks I'm not that familiar with though, hubby was stationed outside Anchorage then we moved to Wasilla.
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HeyLookItsMe
05-17-2013 at 02:34 AM.
05-17-2013 at 02:34 AM.
Quote from dzap :
This would show up on a Carfax, no?
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Quote from Storyteller :
I guess so... I'm just really pissed off about a brand new car falling apart. And seeing as we live in a litigious society, I was wondering if there was any way I could turn this to my advantage. Looks like a single defect (even a big one) isn't enough to invoke the Lemon Law. I guess I'll just wait and see what happens next. With any luck, it won't die on me in the middle of the desert when I go on a roadtrip. OMG
luck for who? if you wanna run around acting like an ass then perhaps society will get lucky and let you enjoy the desert overnight, for weeks on end
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Well I'm glad that you didn't just give the op the fish, that you'll make them go find the pole first...
pole dancing time….
Quote from jj.12321 :
Don't be so greedy.
The other people are right.
Most dealers would've fixed the leaky antifreeze and replaced whatever part was needed to make the engine light turn off. They would've returned the car to you with a damaged engine.
At least this dealer is being honest and actually making things right.
Please don't make them regret being honest by turning the screws to them to get free stuff
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Quote from Storyteller :
Logically, I understand your guys' points. (New engine + under warranty = it's all good.)

Emotionally, however, I want the f**kers to pay. The dealership's manager was a total dick to me the first time we spoke. He never once apologized, but he did imply that maybe it's all my fault; refused to pay for a rental car, saying it's a complicated process that takes several days (the horrified customer service rep I called the next day said they'll reimburse me for everything after I pay for the rental); said it's a-okay for brand new cars to have huge defects because "all mechanical parts break down. It could have broken down after just 10 miles!" (Yes, he really did say that.)

And to satisfy everyone's curiosity, the car is 2013 Kia Rio LX sedan.
well THERES YOUR PROBLEM


wtf why should they pay, its not like it caused you to get into any type of accident or anything like that…. and you're being a jerk if you want to exact revenge for something that didn't "to YOU"…. well actually, if you act like this all the time, maybe they were plotting against you
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zzyzzx
05-17-2013 at 06:39 AM.
05-17-2013 at 06:39 AM.
Quote from bszelda :
That's pretty bad quality control for a new car with less than 1k miles on it to have a radiator leak... .
I thought it was a hose, not the radiator itself. If it were the radiator, I am not surprised since new cars made for the last few decades have crappy plastic side tanks prone to leakage where the seam is where the plastic meets the metal. That and the hoses to the radiator connect to a crappy plastic piece that can crack. That's why I use aftermarket aluminum radiators. That and lots radiators are made in places like Indonesia, since making them in China would cost too much. That's not exactly something that's going to put confidence in the part.


Quote from bszelda :
I think that car had to have over 20 alternators replaced via lifetime warranty.
That's what happens when you buy rebuilt alternators from Autozone / Advance Auto / Pep Boys, or other similar auto parts stores. It's probably not the car's fault. Gotta love aftermarket parts makers, since they can make a crappy part and for some reason most people blame the car.

Quote from Storyteller :
What makes you think I'm a woman?
You kept driving a car with dash lights on. That is typical woman behavior, and everybody knows this.
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zzyzzx
05-17-2013 at 06:43 AM.
05-17-2013 at 06:43 AM.
Quote from Storyteller :
And to satisfy everyone's curiosity, the car is 2013 Kia Rio LX sedan.
Buys foreign car, then the engine blows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Rio
Assembly:
Gwangmyeong, South Korea (Sohari Plant)
Jiangsu, China (Yangcheng Plant)
St. Petersburg, Russia (Hyundai Rus)
Quito, Ecuador (AYMESA)
Jakarta, Indonesia


Just saying.
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Piccaboo
05-17-2013 at 07:16 AM.
05-17-2013 at 07:16 AM.
Quote from zzyzzx :
I thought it was a hose, not the radiator itself. If it were the radiator, I am not surprised since new cars made for the last few decades have crappy plastic side tanks prone to leakage where the seam is where the plastic meets the metal. That and the hoses to the radiator connect to a crappy plastic piece that can crack. That's why I use aftermarket aluminum radiators. That and lots radiators are made in places like Indonesia, since making them in China would cost too much. That's not exactly something that's going to put confidence in the part.




That's what happens when you buy rebuilt alternators from Autozone / Advance Auto / Pep Boys, or other similar auto parts stores. It's probably not the car's fault. Gotta love aftermarket parts makers, since they can make a crappy part and for some reason most people blame the car.



You kept driving a car with dash lights on. That is typical woman behavior, and everybody knows this.
I take exception to your last statement; as I am not the typical woman driver Bleh

We bought a fuel pump from Autozone because all the other parts dealers we deal with where closed when mine went bad in a parking lot - hubby had to flatbed my car up to work - this was less than a year later the fuel pump went bad again - it had a 1 yr warranty on it - so you are correct about this with parts coming from places like this - he wasn't happy in less than a year he had to replace it - though it did go through 260K miles before needing replacement - let's see how long this one lasts laugh out loud

You weren't sexist in your statement - most women on average don't listen to their vehicle - they have no clue when they hear a noise what is wrong with their vehicle - let alone when a CEL comes on - to pull over and check the code and look it up to see what is wrong - but the most important aspect is listening to your vehicle - you really can diagnose it from how it sounds every day you drive it and a new noise pops up - that way you can tell your technician the noise is coming from A, B, C and it sounds like this - and this is not normal.

Your statements about radiators is correct as well; if we pick up a used vehicle - we never buy new - and there is a problem with the radiator an aluminum one goes in - nothing else.
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05-17-2013 at 07:22 AM.
05-17-2013 at 07:22 AM.
Quote from Storyteller :
Wow, sure is a lot of haters on SD these days...

What makes you think I'm a woman? Kudos on showing off your sexism, by the way.
We are not haters - we call a spade a spade when we see one.

It wasn't a sexist comment - it is basically true - most women have no clue what is happening under the hood, let alone if their catalytic converter is rumbling because they need a new one. They simply do not listen to the vehicle they are driving; but they can name most of the new shades of nail polish that came out recently. Don't hate me ladies Blush

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05-17-2013 at 07:44 AM.
05-17-2013 at 07:44 AM.
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Don't hate me ladies Blush
Dont worry OP she's just being anal again. bounce Whee
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Jabbit
05-17-2013 at 07:47 AM.
05-17-2013 at 07:47 AM.
Quote from zzyzzx :
Buys foreign car, then the engine blows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Rio
Assembly:
Gwangmyeong, South Korea (Sohari Plant)
Jiangsu, China (Yangcheng Plant)
St. Petersburg, Russia (Hyundai Rus)
Quito, Ecuador (AYMESA)
Jakarta, Indonesia


Just saying.
The 1.6L Gamma in the Rio is actually a pretty awesome engine, but I guess OP just got a bad hose or something?
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05-17-2013 at 11:07 AM.
05-17-2013 at 11:07 AM.
Quote from ashcampbell :
Dont worry OP she's just being anal again. bounce Whee

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stealth
05-17-2013 at 11:39 AM.
05-17-2013 at 11:39 AM.
When replacing the engine, I believe the title would have to reflect that the mileage doesn't match the odometer, and this is passed on to all future title transfers. To me, this undervalues the car even though the new mileage is likely less. Many people steer away from vehicles like this because it's typically a sign of other problems as well, even though it may not matter to others, and is actually better since the mileage is lower.
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05-17-2013 at 11:58 AM.
05-17-2013 at 11:58 AM.
Quote from stealth :
When replacing the engine, I believe the title would have to reflect that the mileage doesn't match the odometer, and this is passed on to all future title transfers. To me, this undervalues the car even though the new mileage is likely less. Many people steer away from vehicles like this because it's typically a sign of other problems as well, even though it may not matter to others, and is actually better since the mileage is lower.
Nope, both states we've titled the truck with the replaced engine in went off the odometer which wasn't changed when the engine was. The trucks still has the extra miles from before the engine was replaced so they don't change it. People will only know the engine was replaced if we tell them or they can check the GM system. We plan on keeping the truck for a long time (diesel) so it doesn't matter to us.
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