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Engine mysteriously died in a new car - how can I turn it to my advantage?

1,185 414 May 14, 2013 at 08:36 PM in Chat
Brief version, without any names:
Six weeks ago, I bought a brand new car, with warranty and all that other good stuff. Two days ago, as I was driving on a highway, the coolant light came on, followed by an engine light, followed by my car dying just a minute later.

After it got towed to the dealership, they said the cause was a leaking radiator hose. (Keep in mind, the car is 6 weeks old and has only 850 miles on it!) After they replaced it, it kept acting up, so they decided to hold it a bit longer. (They got me a rental car in the meantime.)

When I called them earlier today to see if they had any updates, I was told this: "Oh, hi there. Uh, we don't really know what's wrong with your car, so we decided to replace the whole engine! Smilie Smilie Smilie We'll get a brand new one tomorrow and it'll be good to go by Thursday! Smilie Smilie Smilie "

When I asked what exactly was wrong, they just kept repeating the same thing. I don't know a whole lot about cars, but a friend told me that getting a replacement engine pretty much destroys the car's resale value because people will wonder what else might be wrong with it. Is that correct? Logically, it would seem that, for example, a 10-year-old car with a 1-year-old engine is better than a 10-year-old car with a 10-year-old engine, but consumer psychology is a strange animal.

Personally, I plan on driving the car for 10 years and 120,000 miles (it's got an extended warranty) before I trade it in, so the resale value isn't a big deal for me. That said, is there any way I can spin this to get some major freebies (e.g., get the car company to shave off a few grand off my loan balance) or something along those lines? Right now, they're just paying for my rental car and nothing else. Given the sheer immensity of this colossal fark-up, though, it seems to me that they owe me a lot more than that.

Got any comments, advice or suggestions?
Thanks!

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Iaaaiws
05-17-2013 at 02:41 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:41 PM.
Quote from gunnerusa :
If they're smart, they'll notice that the VIN on the block doesn't match the VIN on the frame.
Engine blocks usually do have a serial number that can be traced back to the car but they don't have the vehicle's VIN number on them. Unless they just started doing this recently. But unless someone is buying a collector car who actually checks the engine ID numbers? Dontknow
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Landers
05-17-2013 at 02:44 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:44 PM.
Quote from dukpoki :
You buy a brand new car. Drive around for a while and some lights pop up. Since this is your first new car and the fact that the car is *new*, you'd probably think those lights aren't serious.
If it's your first car and the rather blank dash suddenly lights up with a bunch of warning lights in yellow and red, do you think you, as hopefully a reasonable human being, would think they "aren't serious"? Seriously? If that's the general thought process of new drivers (or drivers in general), I'm no longer shocked that people are awful drivers and awful at vehicle maintenance. Jesus.

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Ever thought that it can be part of the learning curve/process?? Of course not.
No, because it's general damn knowledge.

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Not with a crack head brain like yours.
Yup, I have a "crack head brain" because I actually know a little something about cars and have the intelligence to think warning lights mean something....

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So he's dumb. But he could be new too. That's understandable. If it isn't then you got problems. The point is. It's a new car. And he drove it around with some lights for a small miniscule amount of time. That does not make it his fault AUTOMATICALLY.
Nope, the manufacturer takes some blame. Hopefully he learned his lesson that a warning light is.. Oh.. a farking warning.



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05-17-2013 at 02:46 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:46 PM.
A smartphone and a $20 bluetooth adapter will do well at reading the codes vs pulling out a laptop.
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05-17-2013 at 02:46 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:46 PM.
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Iaaaiws
05-17-2013 at 02:48 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:48 PM.
Quote from dukpoki :
so you're trying to spin this around like it's OP's fault for his engine troubles? Really? What about the fact that no coolant or engine light should be coming on in the first place. If you bought a brand new car and those lights come up i think we all know where we should be pointing fingers. I'm sure everyone who has read this thread with the sole exception being you, agrees the OP is entitled to some sort of reward/lemon backcharge/etc solely based on his description.
Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

My point isn't that it is entirely the OP's fault. I just have issues with his whiny little entitlement class attitude in expecting to profit from a defect and to blame everything on a dealer who seems to be handling the problem very satisfactorily and in a timely manner.
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Piccaboo
05-17-2013 at 02:52 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:52 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
A smartphone and a $20 bluetooth adapter will do well at reading the codes vs pulling out a laptop.
When I travel as far as I do I have my laptop with me, as well as my smartphone; I just can't pull up this diagnostic program on the smartphone; we pay for it to have access to it bulb It will give me far more information, me thinks, along with another program I have installed.
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05-17-2013 at 02:55 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:55 PM.
Quote from Piccaboo :
When I travel as far as I do I have my laptop with me, as well as my smartphone; I just can't pull up this diagnostic program on the smartphone; we pay for it to have access to it bulb It will give me far more information, me thinks, along with another program I have installed.
You might be surprised how full-featured the mobile apps for it are.
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05-17-2013 at 02:58 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:58 PM.
I think it's justified that he wouldn't want a replacement engine but I don't condone making any profit off the situation. Personally, I would try to get a new vehicle before I accept an engine replacement. Average buyer wouldn't know that the engine has been replaced but it sucks that the car will have so much work in less than 1,000 miles. The problem has got to be more than just missing coolant too, you could drive at highway speeds without coolant and be fine. Engine must be a lemon but from what I've read you don't meet the requirements by law. Sorry to hear about your car trouble, car trouble is my least favorite thing in the world!
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05-17-2013 at 02:58 PM.
05-17-2013 at 02:58 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
You might be surprised how full-featured the mobile apps for it are.
Do they have complete diagrams for every aspect of a vehicle, including wiring diagrams in color?
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05-17-2013 at 03:00 PM.
05-17-2013 at 03:00 PM.
Quote from Piccaboo :
Do they have complete diagrams for every aspect of a vehicle, including wiring diagrams in color?
No, but fat lot of good that's going to do me on the side of the road without my tools and multimeter. If it's that bad, I'm just going to get a tow. But it can read all the same sensors and tell you what's going on with the engine at that time.
Most manufacturers seem to offer PDFs of the diagrams and such, though.
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Iaaaiws
05-17-2013 at 03:01 PM.
05-17-2013 at 03:01 PM.
I don't get why everyone is getting their panties in a wad over the CEL. It is generally not a big deal to continue driving with this light on as long as everything else is normal and the car is still running okay. I have done it quite a few times. Depending on the problem, driving for an extended period of time could cause damage or reduced performance but usually the problem is minor.

In this case however, the low coolant light was the light that came on first. Sorry, but that is just as serious as a low oil light. Most of the time it is probably just due to a slow coolant leak and the coolant level is just low enough to trip the light. But if a hose suddenly blew and coolant was leaking out quickly there is likely to be severe engine damage in a short amount of time, especially with aluminum heads and engine blocks. That is why you pull over immediately to check it out.

And I'm not even saying that I would definitely have pulled over immediately in the OP's situation. But if I had continued and the engine fried I wouldn't be trying to plead my case that the dealer should take it up the ass and give me more than a new engine in return for my stupidity. I would expect the warranty to cover the engine but I wouldn't be out there making myself look like an ass by expecting a reward.

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dukpoki
05-17-2013 at 03:03 PM.
05-17-2013 at 03:03 PM.
Quote from Landers :
If it's your first car and the rather blank dash suddenly lights up with a bunch of warning lights in yellow and red, do you think you, as hopefully a reasonable human being, would think they "aren't serious"?
I'm sure you will be like "WTF" and have all kinds of thought processes going on in your mind. But to think everyone who sees one little light pop up is going to mash on the brakes and pull over the very second it happens. yea okay. I know that my mother who isn't from the USA (minimal english) had a SRS light pop up (air bag) and she didn't pull over. But it was red and very bright and right in smack in front of her dash. According to you she should of pulled over the damn instant. Point is. It's not too difficult to stretch the mind and think reasonably that every human being does perceive those as warnings. But to what extent it's all situational. heck the OP said he drove very minimally. I'm sure what i described is what exactly happened. A WTF moment and then he realized he should find a spot to pull over. Sure that takes roughtly 2 minutes or less. That's reasonable is it not?

I'm sure he learned his lesson (thus why i say learning curve) and if it ever happens again, it definitely will be less then 30 seconds to pull over if not right away given traffic situations!

Quote from Landers :
Yup, I have a "crack head brain" because I actually know a little something about cars and have the intelligence to think warning lights mean something....
that's great buddy but even for you there was a time when you didn't know what a CEL was. Unless you were born with car knowledge before you even learned to walk or spoke your first word. Which i doubt. Just because you know now doesn't mean you should forget that and judge people for learning it later down the road. Heck i'm very car-knowledge-able now. I drive stick and know how to rev match, engine brake, etc. I know engine parts and do my own mods from time to time. I'd say i know just above average but at the same time i'm no car guru. I learned all this stuff after my license. After i found out what a CEL was and what it meant. Maybe i wasn't interested. Maybe i dozed off in my license course. Who cares. You know a little something about cars... the OP didn't. SO WHAT?
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05-17-2013 at 03:06 PM.
05-17-2013 at 03:06 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
No, but fat lot of good that's going to do me on the side of the road without my tools and multimeter. If it's that bad, I'm just going to get a tow. But it can read all the same sensors and tell you what's going on with the engine at that time.
Most manufacturers seem to offer PDFs of the diagrams and such, though.
Hubby puts me on the road pretty well prepared, with all the necessary things I would need to self-diagnose - the only thing he didn't give me last time was "duck tape" - and that I needed when my emergency brake cable snapped laugh out loud but I pulled a McGuyer with that and fixed it until I reached SC.
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05-17-2013 at 03:08 PM.
05-17-2013 at 03:08 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

My point isn't that it is entirely the OP's fault. I just have issues with his whiny little entitlement class attitude in expecting to profit from a defect and to blame everything on a dealer who seems to be handling the problem very satisfactorily and in a timely manner.
Except..

"So you continued driving after the coolant light came on, then continued driving after the engine light also came on until the car died? And now you feel entitled to some sort of reward because you damaged the engine beyond repair? "

...there's nothing in the above showing how you felt regarding his attitude or how you felt how the dealer was doing a good job. What anyone will take out of the quotes above is that you felt it was the OP's fault and that he shouldn't reap or expect to reap any rewards because it was simply his fault.
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05-17-2013 at 03:08 PM.
05-17-2013 at 03:08 PM.
Quote from dukpoki :

I'm sure he learned his lesson (thus why i say learning curve) and if it ever happens again, it definitely will be less then 30 seconds to pull over if not right away given traffic situations!
Sure, but he learned that lesson from those of us who are smacking him on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

If everyone was simply sympathizing with him and tossing him a biscuit and scratching his ears he would probably just keep pissing on the carpet.....


Wait, what was this thread about again? Huh
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