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so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?

a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma

perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work

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Yardboy
12-03-2007 at 06:31 AM.
12-03-2007 at 06:31 AM.
They're only delusional if they insist on trying to convert me to their beliefs or insist that their belief is the "one true" belief and all others are not. Otherwise, it's purely a matter of faith and I don't begrudge anyone their faith, no matter how silly I might personally find it.
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Drio
12-03-2007 at 06:50 AM.
12-03-2007 at 06:50 AM.
I'm more interested as to why folks seem to NEED to know the answers so bad, that they'll simply follow a religion because it gives those answers. (to life.. and everything) I don't know what will happen when I die. I have a guess. But I don't know. I don't know how the earth and life was created. I have a guess. But I don't know. I'm ok with that. I'm not going to go following some scripture just because it gives those answers and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Answers which, are not able to be tested/proven, are meant to never be questioned, and really don't make a lick of sense unless you've been brought up brainwashed by it.... or you've gone through something horrible and you'll believe anything just so it all make sense.
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RL007
12-03-2007 at 06:59 AM.
12-03-2007 at 06:59 AM.
I agree with pretty much all of the above. I don't get the appeal of organized religion and I don't think I ever will. My 7yo joined the choir at a local Methodist church where he goes for after school care. I got stuck going to the Sunday service and it was painful for me. I did like when they passed the plate around and said "don't feel obligated to give". Then the prayer while the plate was going around said "please let us give to you in a way that you will know we love you". Huh? Then they told the story of John the Baptist and how his parents couldn't conceive until Zecheriah saw an Angel. The story then says that once John was born his mother was no longer disgraced in front of the community. So a woman who can't conceive should be disgraced? This was when I told my 3yo he had to go potty. He watched Spongebob in the van until service was over.
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Fallacy
12-03-2007 at 07:05 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:05 AM.
Faith; that's another word for ignorance, isn't it? I've never understood how people can be so proud of believing in something with no proof at all, like that's an achievement.
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Mavtech
12-03-2007 at 07:10 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:10 AM.
Quote from RL007 :
I agree with pretty much all of the above. I don't get the appeal of organized religion and I don't think I ever will. My 7yo joined the choir at a local Methodist church where he goes for after school care. I got stuck going to the Sunday service and it was painful for me. I did like when they passed the plate around and said "don't feel obligated to give". Then the prayer while the plate was going around said "please let us give to you in a way that you will know we love you". Huh? Then they told the story of John the Baptist and how his parents couldn't conceive until Zecheriah saw an Angel. The story then says that once John was born his mother was no longer disgraced in front of the community. So a woman who can't conceive should be disgraced? This was when I told my 3yo he had to go potty. He watched Spongebob in the van until service was over.
Man, this sure would be tough having my 7 year old join these things when I am not there to monitor what they teach him. I've been to a Baptist church quite a few times. Some of them are pretty wacky people. I wanted to tackle the singer off the 4th of July service when he stopped singing God Bless America and proceeded to tell everyone that that flag on the wall did not give him his freedom.....that cross did. He then started crying. Wackos I tell you.
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12-03-2007 at 07:21 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:21 AM.
Quote from Mavtech :
Man, this sure would be tough having my 7 year old join these things when I am not there to monitor what they teach him. I've been to a Baptist church quite a few times. Some of them are pretty wacky people. I wanted to tackle the singer off the 4th of July service when he stopped singing God Bless America and proceeded to tell everyone that that flag on the wall did not give him his freedom.....that cross did. He then started crying. Wackos I tell you.
That's pretty bad. I think you should have started a 'Bull$hit' chant!
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RL007
12-03-2007 at 07:22 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:22 AM.
Quote from Mavtech :
Man, this sure would be tough having my 7 year old join these things when I am not there to monitor what they teach him. I've been to a Baptist church quite a few times. Some of them are pretty wacky people. I wanted to tackle the singer off the 4th of July service when he stopped singing God Bless America and proceeded to tell everyone that that flag on the wall did not give him his freedom.....that cross did. He then started crying. Wackos I tell you.
He is only in the after school program. There are no teachings there. The choir is merely learning the songs so I don't have a problem with that.

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That's pretty bad. I think you should have started a 'Bull$hit' chant!
Or just gotten up and pointed and laughed!Smilie
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Gray.
12-03-2007 at 07:39 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:39 AM.
Quote from Mavtech :
Man, this sure would be tough having my 7 year old join these things when I am not there to monitor what they teach him. I've been to a Baptist church quite a few times. Some of them are pretty wacky people. I wanted to tackle the singer off the 4th of July service when he stopped singing God Bless America and proceeded to tell everyone that that flag on the wall did not give him his freedom.....that cross did. He then started crying. Wackos I tell you.
I can't speak for him, but based off of experience with Christians, I believe he was meaning spiritual freedom. And I completely understand where he is coming from.

That being said, I don't expect everyone to agree or choose to understand why I believe what I do... in fact, those issues are addressed within the Bible itself.

It is everyone's personal decision to make... whether they choose to believe in God or not. And from there, it's even more decisions... whether they choose to actually follow God or not. Someone will eventually make the wrong decision and reap the consequences... whether the consequences are on this earth or in the next life.
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12-03-2007 at 07:49 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:49 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
I can't speak for him, but based off of experience with Christians, I believe he was meaning spiritual freedom. And I completely understand where he is coming from.

That being said, I don't expect everyone to agree or choose to understand why I believe what I do... in fact, those issues are addressed within the Bible itself.

It is everyone's personal decision to make... whether they choose to believe in God or not. And from there, it's even more decisions... whether they choose to actually follow God or not. Someone will eventually make the wrong decision and reap the consequences... whether the consequences are on this earth or in the next life.
But if there is no god, then the people who believed in god and made the wrong decision will not reap the consequences.

Also, if there is no god, then there is no next life. Dontknow
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Just Peachy
12-03-2007 at 07:50 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:50 AM.
Quote from IVIax :
But if there is no god, then the people who believed in god and made the wrong decision will not reap the consequences.

Also, if there is no god, then there is no next life. Dontknow
So which takes more guts? To believe in an afterlife and live life accordingly, or not believe and think this is it?
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Gray.
12-03-2007 at 07:51 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:51 AM.
Quote from IVIax :
But if there is no god, then the people who believed in god and made the wrong decision will not reap the consequences.

Also, if there is no god, then there is no next life. Dontknow
I was talking about both sides of the coin.

If I'm wrong, I obviously will reap the consequences on this earth by devoting myself to something that is worthless, right?

If others are wrong, then they will reap the consequences in the next life, right?
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12-03-2007 at 07:55 AM.
12-03-2007 at 07:55 AM.
Quote from Peachyum :
So which takes more guts? To believe in an afterlife and live life accordingly, or not believe and think this is it?
I'm biased, I can't answer that question.

Quote from PassionateGray :
I was talking about both sides of the coin.

If I'm wrong, I obviously will reap the consequences on this earth by devoting myself to something that is worthless, right?

If others are wrong, then they will reap the consequences in the next life, right?
True, good point.
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12-03-2007 at 08:03 AM.
12-03-2007 at 08:03 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
I can't speak for him, but based off of experience with Christians, I believe he was meaning spiritual freedom. And I completely understand where he is coming from.

That being said, I don't expect everyone to agree or choose to understand why I believe what I do... in fact, those issues are addressed within the Bible itself.

It is everyone's personal decision to make... whether they choose to believe in God or not. And from there, it's even more decisions... whether they choose to actually follow God or not. Someone will eventually make the wrong decision and reap the consequences... whether the consequences are on this earth or in the next life.
I disagree. When he points at the US flag - the symbol of freedom in this country - and says it didn't give him his freedom (IMO) it's an insult to veterans. Period. I guess one can get away with that kind of talk in a church but I'd like to see the same thing done at a soldiers memorial service.
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12-03-2007 at 08:09 AM.
12-03-2007 at 08:09 AM.
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i'm not religious and i believe in a supreme being. can i still play?
It doesn't count if you believe yourself to be the supreme being. Stick Out Tongue

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I believe in Karma. I also believe in the 10 commandments however they came to be.
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12-03-2007 at 08:14 AM.
12-03-2007 at 08:14 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
I was talking about both sides of the coin.

If I'm wrong, I obviously will reap the consequences on this earth by devoting myself to something that is worthless, right?

If others are wrong, then they will reap the consequences in the next life, right?
Who can say for sure? As an agnostic who is not a fan of 'organized religion' I try to live my life as a good person. IMO one doesn't need to have follow the (insert religious text here) to know right from wrong. Also, if there is a god I don't think that they would demand everything being asked in the (insert religious text again).
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