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so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?

a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma

perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work

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12-03-2007 at 10:43 AM.
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Quote from Peachyum :
No, the question was posed the way it was supposed to be taken.

The question was: Which takes more guts, to live life as if there is an afterlife or to live as if this is all there is?
still obscure....
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12-03-2007 at 10:46 AM.
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Quote from iconian :
still obscure....
I'll clarify:

1. To live believing in god and worshiping him and being all religious and shit, and NOT living life to it's fullest extent but then THINKING that there's an afterlife and be set for it.
OR
2. live life to it's fullest, no regrets, but then if there is an afterlife you're going to hell.

Which one takes more balls?


I do agree that the question is not unbiased. Because the religious people would chose #2, and the non-religious people would chose #1, so the question is somewhat pointless. Dontknow
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12-03-2007 at 10:48 AM.
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nevermind
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12-03-2007 at 10:50 AM.
12-03-2007 at 10:50 AM.
Quote from Peachyum :
No, the question was posed the way it was supposed to be taken.

The question was: Which takes more guts, to live life as if there is an afterlife or to live as if this is all there is?
Does it take guts to believe in something that someone only told you to believe? This was my main issue going to church growing up. Even as an impressionable little kid, I had a hard time just simply taking someone's word as truth. I want to SEE and/or FEEL why I should believe what you say. We don't do this with anything else in life. Why do we do it with religion? If I am a horticulturist and I tell you that I grafted a rose bush with a cactus to make a roctus, you would ask to see it to believe it, right? But, why question me? I'm an expert in this field. I never understood why everyone asks for proof when it comes to science. Yet, we are simply suppose to listen to someone when it comes to religion and take their word? And when you do question it, they say "you just don't understand".
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12-03-2007 at 10:51 AM.
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Quote from IVIax :
I'll clarify:

1. To live believing in god and worshiping him and being all religious and shit, and NOT living life to it's fullest extent but then THINKING that there's an afterlife and be set for it.
OR
2. live life to it's fullest, no regrets, but then if there is an afterlife you're going to hell.

Which one takes more balls?


I do agree that the question is not unbiased. Because the religious people would chose #2, and the non-religious people would chose #1, so the question is somewhat pointless. Dontknow
i know what she meant but im confused what she expects in a reply:

does it take more balls to blindly believe in a brothers grymm fairtale or to live life like you should (think about this: a lot of people have cancers going throuhg familes or heart attacks, so say as an example you have a history on either, and u almost sure u be dead before u hit 55, u think that by being pious monk and such, u'll get to live til 100?, bad genes are bad genes"

thing is, this afterlife is what you call a gimmick, since u have nothing but fairly tales to go on, asking ppl to believe in something that noone has any proof off or living their life to the fullest is obviously 1 sided answer
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12-03-2007 at 10:53 AM.
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During a time of turmoil was when the Christian religion was brought forth, nearly 1000 years after his death.
You really need to check your history. Start with Constantine and go backwards.
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12-03-2007 at 10:56 AM.
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Playing devil's advocate here:

Quote from iconian :
does it take more balls to blindly believe in a brothers grymm fairtale or to live life like you should (think about this: a lot of people have cancers going throuhg familes or heart attacks, so say as an example you have a history on either, and u almost sure u be dead before u hit 55, u think that by being pious monk and such, u'll get to live til 100?, bad genes are bad genes"
But then the religious people would go to heaven when they die at age 55 and live forever in comfort, while the non-religious people would die at age 55 and go to hell and live forever in torment.


Quote from iconian :
thing is, this afterlife is what you call a gimmick, since u have nothing but fairly tales to go on, asking ppl to believe in something that noone has any proof off or living their life to the fullest is obviously 1 sided answer
Iagree
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Quote from IVIax :
Playing devil's advocate here:



But then the religious people would go to heaven when they die at age 55 and live forever in comfort, while the non-religious people would die at age 55 and go to hell and live forever in torment.




Iagree
playing devil's advocate as well: if they are such a good people/etc why doesnty the god reward them by letting them live til 100?
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12-03-2007 at 11:06 AM.
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playing devil's advocate as well: if they are such a good people/etc why doesnty the god reward them by letting them live til 100?
You're assuming life on this earth is the point of everything. What if it's not?
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12-03-2007 at 11:12 AM.
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I hate to say it, but I really don't think you understand the Christian mindset. And that's ok. But it's still not cool to call him a "weak ass farker". You just don't understand his point of view... but that doesn't make yours better.

Show some respect to your fellow man, Mav... I thought you were better than reducing yourself to simple name calling just because you don't understand someone.
BS. He may have the right to claim the cross is his freedom but the fact is he wouldn't have the right to make such outlandish statements if it wasn't for the men and women who fought under that flag. To disrespect them by stopping in the middle of 'God Bless America' to go off on ones personal preachy soapbox is pathetic. Someone should have told the tool to sit down and STFU.
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12-03-2007 at 11:13 AM.
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Does it take guts to believe in something that someone only told you to believe? This was my main issue going to church growing up. Even as an impressionable little kid, I had a hard time just simply taking someone's word as truth. I want to SEE and/or FEEL why I should believe what you say. We don't do this with anything else in life. Why do we do it with religion? If I am a horticulturist and I tell you that I grafted a rose bush with a cactus to make a roctus, you would ask to see it to believe it, right? But, why question me? I'm an expert in this field. I never understood why everyone asks for proof when it comes to science. Yet, we are simply suppose to listen to someone when it comes to religion and take their word? And when you do question it, they say "you just don't understand".
You state that you have never had that experience. This is why I say that you don't understand.

I have seen and felt reasons why I believe what I believe.

Ultimately, I revert back to my original choice. It is each person's decision. You will choose to believe what you want to believe and I will choose to believe what I want to believe. But ultimately someone will pay the consequences, either here on earth or in the after life.
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12-03-2007 at 11:13 AM.
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You're assuming life on this earth is the point of everything. What if it's not?
What if space does have an end and there are larger organisms watching and altering our every move through a glass window? What if?
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12-03-2007 at 11:16 AM.
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What if space does have an end and there are larger organisms watching and altering our every move through a glass window? What if?
Is that why I have never been out of this city? Wait, is my name Truman?
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You're assuming life on this earth is the point of everything. What if it's not?
you are assuming it's not. so far i have not been proven wrong in many millenia...

until i am...

and believe is not proof
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12-03-2007 at 11:16 AM.
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Quote from PassionateGray :
You state that you have never had that experience. This is why I say that you don't understand.

I have seen and felt reasons why I believe what I believe.

Ultimately, I revert back to my original choice. It is each person's decision. You will choose to believe what you want to believe and I will choose to believe what I want to believe. But ultimately someone will pay the consequences, either here on earth or in the after life.
Not necessarily true. It's very likely that no one is going to pay anymore or any less than anyone else. It doesn't have to go one way or the other. There is a third possibility which as far as I know is the most likely outcome from this life we live.
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