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so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?

a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma

perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work

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12-03-2007 at 01:01 PM.
12-03-2007 at 01:01 PM.
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Hey, someone said that on page 1. laugh out loud
High Five sorry, the first page was a while back laugh out loud

Quote from Jhaan :
I'm curious. Are all people scared of death, or only believers?
I guess to an extent everyone is scared of dying, but the believers are trying to do something to secure a place in heaven* for themselves, while the non-believers, think "that's IT, there's nothing more, and to hell with it". Live life once, and enjoy it.

So Peachyum, in order to enjoy life you don't need to go around making chaos as someone stated, you can live life and not believe in god, and enjoy it.
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12-03-2007 at 01:02 PM.
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I'm curious. Are all people scared of death, or only believers?
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i am not afraid of death, cause it's inevitable, i just wana go out not feeling itSmilie
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12-03-2007 at 01:04 PM.
12-03-2007 at 01:04 PM.
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there are many reason why i suppose but primarily i guess: people want to believe something otherwise like someone said if this is IT, they wont want to prosper and will be ok with what they got

others believe to change their life or to explain stuff in their life. remember believing that something explains your life might be ok even if its a faulty belief
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when i say believe in extraterrestrial, i dont count conspiracy theorists, they are in the area of fanatics. i meant general question to the public

such as" do you think there is another life work anywhere in space"

to answer no on this question, in my view is impossible because space is so vast, is that u cant compare it to anything but itself

You're speaking of a purely blind faith - a coin toss, basically. Does a purely blind faith provide enough of a foundation to affect the things in the first part of your post? Would belief in aliens cause a person to change his/her life? To give up drugs? What about evangelism? Would a belief in aliens cause a person to tell everyone s/he knew about what s/he had found?
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12-03-2007 at 01:06 PM.
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Quote from Jhaan :
You're speaking of a purely blind faith - a coin toss, basically. Does a purely blind faith provide enough of a foundation to affect the things in the first part of your post? Would belief in aliens cause a person to change his/her life? To give up drugs? What about evangelism? Would a belief in aliens cause a person to tell everyone s/he knew about what s/he had found?
Technically isn't religion a blind faith as well?
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12-03-2007 at 01:07 PM.
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I guess to an extent everyone is scared of dying, but the believers are trying to do something to secure a place in heaven* for themselves, while the non-believers, think "that's IT, there's nothing more, and to hell with it". Live life once, and enjoy it.
So when believers say there's something more to life, how do you explain that?
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12-03-2007 at 01:07 PM.
12-03-2007 at 01:07 PM.
Quote from Peachyum :
Again, maybe, maybe not. Why can't I do what I want in order to enjoy life? If I've only got this one life according to some here, why shouldn't I be able to do anything I want while here?

That's fine, so long as the point does get across. Wink
No one is stopping you from doing what you want to enjoy life as long as you do it within the laws put in place to maintain a civil society. I have to ask, what would you do differently if there was no supreme being and afterlife?
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You're speaking of a purely blind faith - a coin toss, basically. Does a purely blind faith provide enough of a foundation to affect the things in the first part of your post? Would belief in aliens cause a person to change his/her life? To give up drugs? What about evangelism? Would a belief in aliens cause a person to tell everyone s/he knew about what s/he had found?
people change cause they are afraid that if they dont the'll go to hell and be raped by 1000 horses for the best 1000 uyears

belief is aliens have exact same % of possibility imo
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Technically isn't religion a blind faith as well?
How so? I'd call my religion a faith based on reason and history.
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12-03-2007 at 01:10 PM.
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i am not afraid of death, cause it's inevitable, i just wana go out not feeling itSmilie
What are you afraid of?
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12-03-2007 at 01:10 PM.
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Technically isn't religion a blind faith as well?
Not necessarily. It does take faith, but that faith isn't blind.
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12-03-2007 at 01:10 PM.
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Quote from Jhaan :
I'm curious. Are all people scared of death, or only believers?
Well I am. Scared shitless. But not because of eternal damnation.... but because that would mean 'Game Over'.

I don't know that it's absoultely game over. Maybe there's more. But just because I want to believe that... that doesn't mean I'm going to start believing it and just assume it to be so.
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12-03-2007 at 01:11 PM.
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Quote from Jhaan :
So when believers say there's something more to life, how do you explain that?
Explained in the post you quoted... not sure what you're asking

Quote from IVIax :
I guess to an extent everyone is scared of dying, but the believers are trying to do something to secure a place in heaven* for themselves, while the non-believers, think "that's IT, there's nothing more, and to hell with it". Live life once, and enjoy it.
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Peachyum you're looking at the very extreme's, the other extreme would be a religious fanatic. You can't compare those two and say "well that's it, one is what a religious person would do, and the other is what a non-religious person would do"
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Quote from Jhaan :
How so? I'd call my religion a faith based on reason and history.
can you expand on that?
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12-03-2007 at 01:14 PM.
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How so? I'd call my religion a faith based on reason and history.
Quote from PassionateGray :
Not necessarily. It does take faith, but that faith isn't blind.
Something written in a book doesn't mean it's TRUE history (I don't mean to sound condescending or mean, I just can't find a nicer way to put it). If I write something down now that says "I am son of god" and pass it along generation to generation, maybe some day people will believe that I actually am son of god.



There is no proof, and if there is no proof i see it as blind faith. Iconian could be right, it's all random.

Science has proof, thus it's not blind faith.
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12-03-2007 at 01:16 PM.
12-03-2007 at 01:16 PM.
Quote from Drio :
Well I am. Scared shitless. But not because of eternal damnation.... but because that would mean 'Game Over'.

I don't know that it's absoultely game over. Maybe there's more. But just because I want to believe that... that doesn't mean I'm going to start believing it and just assume it to be so.
I don't know if I'd say I'm scared or afraid of the death part. I'm like you (Drio) in that my fear is the 'game over' part because I'll not be around to learn and experience all the great things that will happen in the future. That said, I am too much the skeptic to believe in the man-made Christian afterlife known as 'Heaven'.
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