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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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AllMost of his laws are to "better" a person. Agree? (I would say all, but I don't know all of them)That's what I don't understand -- how can "he" be forgiving and compassionate and want you to better yourself and be merciful, but ONLY to the people who believe in him. What about those who are agnostic -- they never said they don't believe in him, just that they're not sure if he exists or not... So they should be punished even if they bettered their lives and lived by MOST of his laws, but never believed in him?
somewhat hypocritical IMHO.
Let's look at the times of Noah. People were doing what they wanted, when they wanted, falling off the straight and narrow, were pagens, some even cannibals. God had enough. Tells Noah to prepare for big whompin flooding. Noah cautions people around him (even as they made fun of him) of what was going to occur and to repent of their sins and prepare for the coming flood. Nobody listened. When the floods came, who was knocking on yon ark door to be let in? Those who felt Noah was crazy and believing in God was a terrible inconvenience. Was God merciful? To the sinners who died, I'm sure they'd say no. To Noah and his family, I'm sure they'd say yes. God needed to get rid of that which was ruining His earth. There would have been no need of a cleansing of the earth if God allowed himself to be more merciful, right? Everyone is given a chance, and along with that chance comes free will and the ability to seek knowledge.
Let's look at the times of Noah. People were doing what they wanted, when they wanted, falling off the straight and narrow, were pagens, some even cannibals. God had enough. Tells Noah to prepare for big whompin flooding. Noah cautions people around him (even as they made fun of him) of what was going to occur and to repent of their sins and prepare for the coming flood. Nobody listened. When the floods came, who was knocking on yon ark door to be let in? Those who felt Noah was crazy and believing in God was a terrible inconvenience. Was God merciful? To the sinners who died, I'm sure they'd say no. To Noah and his family, I'm sure they'd say yes. God needed to get rid of that which was ruining His earth. There would have been no need of a cleansing of the earth if God allowed himself to be more merciful, right? Everyone is given a chance, and along with that chance comes free will and the ability to seek knowledge.
Let's look at the times of Noah. People were doing what they wanted, when they wanted, falling off the straight and narrow, were pagens, some even cannibals. God had enough. Tells Noah to prepare for big whompin flooding. Noah cautions people around him (even as they made fun of him) of what was going to occur and to repent of their sins and prepare for the coming flood. Nobody listened. When the floods came, who was knocking on yon ark door to be let in? Those who felt Noah was crazy and believing in God was a terrible inconvenience. Was God merciful? To the sinners who died, I'm sure they'd say no. To Noah and his family, I'm sure they'd say yes. God needed to get rid of that which was ruining His earth. There would have been no need of a cleansing of the earth if God allowed himself to be more merciful, right? Everyone is given a chance, and along with that chance comes free will and the ability to seek knowledge.
the story of the ark said 2 of every species. aside from the miracle of a boat that could carry 2 of every kind, carrying every single type of beetle known of, animals only found in some parts of the worlds; what we know of in breeding.. if we all descended from a common ancestor many things would have died out thousands of years ago.
Let's look at the times of Noah. People were doing what they wanted, when they wanted, falling off the straight and narrow, were pagens, some even cannibals. God had enough. Tells Noah to prepare for big whompin flooding. Noah cautions people around him (even as they made fun of him) of what was going to occur and to repent of their sins and prepare for the coming flood. Nobody listened. When the floods came, who was knocking on yon ark door to be let in? Those who felt Noah was crazy and believing in God was a terrible inconvenience. Was God merciful? To the sinners who died, I'm sure they'd say no. To Noah and his family, I'm sure they'd say yes. God needed to get rid of that which was ruining His earth. There would have been no need of a cleansing of the earth if God allowed himself to be more merciful, right? Everyone is given a chance, and along with that chance comes free will and the ability to seek knowledge.
Now, IMO if god was truly merciful, then he would forgive those who made mistakes through their lives.
I guess I have a problem, with Christianity portraying their god to be fully merciful and forgiving and caring and loving, but that would be only to his people. And yes I understand your POV as well "why should we forgive you, if Jesus bled for us believers, and you guys just want to freeload".
I don't think this argument is going to go far beyond this point (at least for me).
Let's look at the times of Noah. People were doing what they wanted, when they wanted, falling off the straight and narrow, were pagens, some even cannibals. God had enough. Tells Noah to prepare for big whompin flooding. Noah cautions people around him (even as they made fun of him) of what was going to occur and to repent of their sins and prepare for the coming flood. Nobody listened. When the floods came, who was knocking on yon ark door to be let in? Those who felt Noah was crazy and believing in God was a terrible inconvenience. Was God merciful? To the sinners who died, I'm sure they'd say no. To Noah and his family, I'm sure they'd say yes. God needed to get rid of that which was ruining His earth. There would have been no need of a cleansing of the earth if God allowed himself to be more merciful, right? Everyone is given a chance, and along with that chance comes free will and the ability to seek knowledge.
I just don't see God that way anymore. It helps answer the question about people like residents of foreign countries, who are sincere in their beliefs but are not Christian. It's opened my eyes to see a world that God truly loves, and helped strengthen my faith.
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the story of the ark said 2 of every species. aside from the miracle of a boat that could carry 2 of every kind, carrying every single type of beetle known of, animals only found in some parts of the worlds; what we know of in breeding.. if we all descended from a common ancestor many things would have died out thousands of years ago.
Arj, about the only thing I can really say about this is that if my God is able to create the heavens and the earth, am I really going to get snarky about how He went about loading up the animals he created two by two, or how it is that we all are descendants of three couples?
Arj, about the only thing I can really say about this is that if my God is able to create the heavens and the earth, am I really going to get snarky about how He went about loading up the animals he created two by two, or how it is that we all are descendants of three couples?
its engrained into just about all species.. mating with family is bad.
I don't want to argue if there is one or not, I just like to feel there is
that doesn't work with faith based creationism. you can't test things when the basis is as far as our current understanding on how the universe there's no other logical explanation than someone had to make it.
i broguth it up in another thread.. but like the ancient greeks who came up with gods to answer every question. how did the earth stay up? well a god held it on his shoulders. how did thunder happen? a god gets mad and throws them down. science explained how both of those things happen by an explanation accepted by most of the world.
if (big if, but just for argument sake) we find a series of well preserved fossils that show exactly how evolution of man happened from apes. what then?
dr j> i don't think religion was used to control people at the begining. all the major religions stress living a good life. its jsut societies nature to figure out things. hamurabi's code was thousands of years before christ. it still found killing to be wrong. however, it was used that way quickly afterwards.
The conclusion is very much based on science... C14 proves that it indeed does not take millions/billions of years to make a diamond... The theory that evolution is based upon tries to hold true to million/billions of years... However, those millions and billions of years are being proven to be incorrect... The starting point of evolution RELIES upon millions and billions of years for it to be correct... less than 58,000 years does NOT give evolution NEARLY enough time to "unfold" by itself.
Thus the "start" of evolution (origin of species) is incorrect. Thus, only one alternative..... Since there is not nearly enough time for "life to start by itself by a statisitical percentage" - it means that intelligent design HAS TO BE a credible theory.... Otherwise, the origin of species has to be modified to show that ALL of life on this planet started less than 58,000 years ago... Our current scientific models will all point to the fact that there is not nearly enough time for life to have spontaneously "evolved from primortial ooze" in that small amount of time...
Which means intelligent design, and to *me* it means that God's existence has been "scientifically proven".... You all keep saying.... "SHOW ME SCIENTIFIC PROOF".......................
the scientific facts for intelligent design are smacking people on the side of the head, yet they STILL don't want to believe it....
What about gravity? does gravity exist? I'm not trying to be mean to you Mav, but you can't say that just because you can't identify it as being something tangible, doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
Remember back even just a hundred years ago or more... People died from bacteria, viruses (black death, plague, etc...).... They couldn't see them, touch them, smell, hear, etc... Yet they still existed.
The only difference is that we now have the capabilities to see them, and know that they are there... People thought that the world was flat too.... They didn't know any better because they couldn't prove it - they just saw the horizon, and thought "well that's where the earth must end". How wrong they were...
All I'm saying is that we don't have a "scientific way" to see God, or touch, or hear, or see him.... Essentially we don't have the scientific knowhow (don't think we ever will) to prove that God DOES NOT EXIST... Once someone finds a scientific way to disprove God's existence - THEN I will believe that God does not indeed exist...
When I was in college, I was in a real bad car wreck. I was sleeping in the passenger seat when my roommate lost control on I-95. We did 360s down I-95, flipped over, slid about 50 yards upside-down into the water. All the glass shattered around us. I walked away with nothing but a piece of glass in my elbow. Did God play a part? How many people would say he did? Well, I say "I just don't know". If he did, "thanks a bunch God". But, I have no evidence to believe that he chose that it wasn't my time to go. I have no reason to believe anything other than that I was one lucky son of a bitch. It was 12:18 AM. At this time, my mother woke up suddenly from a deep sleep 250 miles away. Coincidence? Or did someone tell her something? I simply do not know.
that was a nice 4 hr nap
where were we?
The conclusion is very much based on science... C14 proves that it indeed does not take millions/billions of years to make a diamond... The theory that evolution is based upon tries to hold true to million/billions of years... However, those millions and billions of years are being proven to be incorrect... The starting point of evolution RELIES upon millions and billions of years for it to be correct... less than 58,000 years does NOT give evolution NEARLY enough time to "unfold" by itself.
Thus the "start" of evolution (origin of species) is incorrect. Thus, only one alternative..... Since there is not nearly enough time for "life to start by itself by a statisitical percentage" - it means that intelligent design HAS TO BE a credible theory.... Otherwise, the origin of species has to be modified to show that ALL of life on this planet started less than 58,000 years ago... Our current scientific models will all point to the fact that there is not nearly enough time for life to have spontaneously "evolved from primortial ooze" in that small amount of time...
Which means intelligent design, and to *me* it means that God's existence has been "scientifically proven".... You all keep saying.... "SHOW ME SCIENTIFIC PROOF".......................
the scientific facts for intelligent design are smacking people on the side of the head, yet they STILL don't want to believe it....
Science says the world existed 58,000 years ago (according to this new "theory"), religion still says only thousands, not 10's of thousands. So could it be they're both wrong?
OR this science experiment does NOT prove everything. It could have other explanations in it (errors in analysis, errors in C14, etc. etc. etc.), and the world REALLY did exist for millions of billions of years. Until this new theory is made mainstream, I wont believe there are no flaws in it.
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The conclusion is very much based on science... C14 proves that it indeed does not take millions/billions of years to make a diamond... The theory that evolution is based upon tries to hold true to million/billions of years... However, those millions and billions of years are being proven to be incorrect... The starting point of evolution RELIES upon millions and billions of years for it to be correct... less than 58,000 years does NOT give evolution NEARLY enough time to "unfold" by itself.
Thus the "start" of evolution (origin of species) is incorrect. Thus, only one alternative..... Since there is not nearly enough time for "life to start by itself by a statisitical percentage" - it means that intelligent design HAS TO BE a credible theory.... Otherwise, the origin of species has to be modified to show that ALL of life on this planet started less than 58,000 years ago... Our current scientific models will all point to the fact that there is not nearly enough time for life to have spontaneously "evolved from primortial ooze" in that small amount of time...
Which means intelligent design, and to *me* it means that God's existence has been "scientifically proven".... You all keep saying.... "SHOW ME SCIENTIFIC PROOF".......................
the scientific facts for intelligent design are smacking people on the side of the head, yet they STILL don't want to believe it....
i have more faith in sciencetific method though, then something written thousands of years ago. that's me.i put my faith in man eventually figuring out how the universe leads instead of saying i don't know, a creator must have done it.