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December 2, 2007 at
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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I have not intended to insult you in any way. If you took insult, then that's your own over-sensitivity, I would assume.
And unfortunately, I am not the only person who sees that it's not that you don't want to learn what *I* want you to learn (which is not what I suggested in the first place), you don't want to learn at all. You stated that you have no problem with bias, and any good debater or even intelligent individual will honestly seek out both sides of the coin if they are truly looking for the truth. You aren't looking for the truth. You aren't looking for the opportunity to learn. You're just looking to be right. And unfortunately, that's not possible in this day and age if you have no desire to learn.
FWIW, all the evidence I've seen backing intelligent design starts and ends with 'God'. I can't accept 'God did it' as an explanation to the unexplained and no amount of research on Christianity or any other religion is going to change that. If you want to call that stubborn, ignorant, etc that's fine.
My belief is that when a person dies, they die. No fire. No brimstone. Where you get the hell fire and brimstone from is when people sacrificed their children to fire as a pagan ritual for cleansing. However, IF people have lived life by God's tenents, there will be a reward of resurrection. As to being prayed to constantly, my God doesn't need that affirmation several times a day, but maybe those who do pray frequently need to remind themselves of where their loyalties are and to affirm to themselves that they are on a correct path.
My belief is that when a person dies, they die. No fire. No brimstone. Where you get the hell fire and brimstone from is when people sacrificed their children to fire as a pagan ritual for cleansing. However, IF people have lived life by God's tenents, there will be a reward of resurrection. As to being prayed to constantly, my God doesn't need that affirmation several times a day, but maybe those who do pray frequently need to remind themselves of where their loyalties are and to affirm to themselves that they are on a correct path.
This will get into the not-so-scientific part (because it is my personal experience) but I have found the most comfort in being able to communicate with God at any moment... and I do feel like He communicates with me as well. It's not necessarily a booming voice from heaven or a series of voices in my head, but it's through circumstances, through experiences, through things that are just too unique to be coincidence.
But it is all about perspective. If someone has not experienced the miraculous (aka, the scientifically unexplainable), then I can see why it would be more difficult for them to believe in a higher being. However, I think that when presented with the miraculous/scientifically unexplainable, many people choose not to believe because they would rather trust that eventually there will be a scientific explanation for it even though one is not guaranteed (like Slickitty's survival of a ruptured aorta which should have killed her within minutes... not allowing her to survive for longer than an hour so that she could be helped by a physician). But since there is no answer, it would seem that it's just as easy to believe that a supreme being actually wanted Slickitty alive, no? Sadly, because of personal feelings (in my opinion), many people would rather rely on their faith in science than in their faith in a higher being that they might have to be held accountable to.
My belief is that when a person dies, they die. No fire. No brimstone. Where you get the hell fire and brimstone from is when people sacrificed their children to fire as a pagan ritual for cleansing. However, IF people have lived life by God's tenents, there will be a reward of resurrection. As to being prayed to constantly, my God doesn't need that affirmation several times a day, but maybe those who do pray frequently need to remind themselves of where their loyalties are and to affirm to themselves that they are on a correct path.
Would an infinitely merciful God?
I think so.
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We aren't talking about a wedding banquet with limited seating capacity. And we aren't talking about me being a groom and my wedding. We're talking about Mr Almighty. It's not going to get overcrowded. If I had unlimited resources and unlimited space and time... and some poor sob was out in the rain knocking on the door, yes, I'd let them in. A thankyou might be nice after the fact. I wouldn't turn them away just because they weren't wearing their "I
We aren't talking about a wedding banquet with limited seating capacity. And we aren't talking about me being a groom and my wedding. We're talking about Mr Almighty. It's not going to get overcrowded. If I had unlimited resources and unlimited space and time... and some poor sob was out in the rain knocking on the door, yes, I'd let them in. A thankyou might be nice after the fact. I wouldn't turn them away just because they weren't wearing their "I
AllMost of his laws are to "better" a person. Agree? (I would say all, but I don't know all of them)That's what I don't understand -- how can "he" be forgiving and compassionate and want you to better yourself and be merciful, but ONLY to the people who believe in him. What about those who are agnostic -- they never said they don't believe in him, just that they're not sure if he exists or not... So they should be punished even if they bettered their lives and lived by MOST of his laws, but never believed in him?
somewhat hypocritical IMHO.
My belief is that when a person dies, they die. No fire. No brimstone. Where you get the hell fire and brimstone from is when people sacrificed their children to fire as a pagan ritual for cleansing. However, IF people have lived life by God's tenents, there will be a reward of resurrection. As to being prayed to constantly, my God doesn't need that affirmation several times a day, but maybe those who do pray frequently need to remind themselves of where their loyalties are and to affirm to themselves that they are on a correct path.
And that is all I'll be discussing in this thread.
If Jesus died to pay for our sins, then why do we still sin, and why do we have to be fearful of the consequences of those sins. What exactly did his death accomplish? What changed other than now we have the Holy Trinity as opposed to just God?
And what about God recognizing his people? To say that he will recognize his people would imply that all others are not his people. To whom do they belong?
Other religions feel just as strongly as Christians do that their religion is the correct one. For someone who has been exposed to Christianity their entire life, the natural course would incline them to believe in God as Christians know him (if they are religious). The same can be said for other religions. In general, we're more inclined to believe something to which we've been constantly exposed. If an indigenous tribesman who follows or simply worships the rain forest which sustains him, and does not know Christ, then what happens to him? Does he get a free pass to heaven, or is he condemned for being born in the wrong place? I know there are missionaries, but what about before missionaries got there?
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So wouldn't this mean without your life altercating experience, along with SlicKitty's, that us three would all be going to Hell? Why is it that God chooses to reveal himself to you two, but not to me and some others?