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so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?

a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma

perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work

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BrownEyedGirl
12-04-2007 at 10:05 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:05 AM.
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What about the many people before Jesus who claimed to be the Messiah?

Could it be possible that Jesus just had a larger target audience, a bigger following, or simply a better PR firm?

Why did it take so long for anything to be written about Him?


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12-04-2007 at 10:07 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:07 AM.
What if I ask God to reveal Himself to me and he doesn't? Let's assume that I am fully receptive, I really want to believe, but it just doesn't happen. If God is all knowing, and he can see my heart, and he knows I want to believe, then why doesn't He just show me?
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12-04-2007 at 10:08 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:08 AM.
Quote from BrgnHntr :
Because I asked him to. I didn't believe before that, but I wanted to know, I asked if he was there to show me many times...and eventually he did.
I hate to bring the same argument back up, but if you were looking for him and you found him, maybe you WANTED to find him, and what could otherwise be attributed as luck or coincidence, or anything else, you attributed it to god (again because you were looking to find god).

If god showed himself to those NOT looking (the skeptics), that would be something else....
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12-04-2007 at 10:09 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:09 AM.
Quote from killerbootsman :
We can only hope that a God that would stoop down to such a human tit-for-tat system doesn't exist. If God is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, wouldn't he want to take the initiative of forming a relationship with his sons and daughters so he could make them better people?
It's not a tit-for-tat kind of thing. But if someone doesn't want to be friends with you, eventually you stop trying.
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12-04-2007 at 10:09 AM.
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Quote from BrownEyedGirl :
What if I ask God to reveal Himself to me and he doesn't? Let's assume that I am fully receptive, I really want to believe, but it just doesn't happen. If God is all knowing, and he can see my heart, and he knows I want to believe, then why doesn't He just show me?
Are you playing devil's advocate? I thought you were religious? Confused
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12-04-2007 at 10:10 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:10 AM.
Quote from BrownEyedGirl :
What if I ask God to reveal Himself to me and he doesn't? Let's assume that I am fully receptive, I really want to believe, but it just doesn't happen. If God is all knowing, and he can see my heart, and he knows I want to believe, then why doesn't He just show me?
I think God shows himself to people all the time, but too often, we're too blind to see it.
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12-04-2007 at 10:11 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:11 AM.
Quote from BrgnHntr :
It's not a tit-for-tat kind of thing. But if someone doesn't want to be friends with you, eventually you stop trying.
I'm obviously biased, but I like Killerbootsman analogy better. The friend anaolgy you can at least feel/see/hear/touch/poke/smell the friend, and if he doesn't want to be your friend he'll either ignore you (but you can still see him) or he'll tell you. God doesn't tell you anything, so it is more like a tit-for-tat kind of thing.

Also, if god is merciful, even if you stopped trying, he should still let you into heaven. Everyone makes mistakes.



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12-04-2007 at 10:15 AM.
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Quote from IVIax :
Now, IMO if god was truly merciful, then he would forgive those who made mistakes through their lives.
He does forgive mistakes, but you have to accept that forgiveness.
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12-04-2007 at 10:20 AM.
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Quote from BrgnHntr :
He does forgive mistakes, but you have to accept that forgiveness.
That goes back to the topic of -- how can you accept that which you cannot see/feel/hear/etc.?

IMO if that is the case then god is playing games with people -- you can't touch/feel/see/hear me, nah-nanananana Harhar, BUT I want you to believe in me or else you're not going to heaven Nono2. If he was truly merciful and forgiving, then he wouldn't care if you believed or not, he would take you to heaven if you led a good life, and to hell if you led a bad one.

Why is right for me to go commit 100,000 crimes against god, and then ask for forgiveness in a church and be forgiven and still go to heaven, but to someone who led a saint's life, but doesn't believe to go to hell?
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12-04-2007 at 10:20 AM.
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look around laugh out loud
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12-04-2007 at 10:21 AM.
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look around laugh out loud
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12-04-2007 at 10:21 AM.
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Quote from GOD :
look around laugh out loud
I just knew you were gonna show up! LMAO
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12-04-2007 at 10:31 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:31 AM.
too lazy to go back and find the direct post, to all thsoe pointing out slick kitty's example as gods intervention, would the reverse be seen as its her time to go or there is no god?
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12-04-2007 at 10:32 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:32 AM.
Quote from IVIax :
Are you playing devil's advocate? I thought you were religious? Confused
No, I said that I used to be. I am Agnostic.
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12-04-2007 at 10:35 AM.
12-04-2007 at 10:35 AM.
Quote from IVIax :
Another thing I don't understand is why if god is "all-knowing" do I have to say something out load, why can't he just read my mind? Or know what I'm feeling, why do I have to TALK to him? he's supposed to be all-knowing/all-seeing/all-hearing/etc.?

But maybe that's just me Dontknow
I don't pray out loud all the time. I believe he can read my mind with what I'm praying.
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