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December 2, 2007 at
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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You make some excellent points, Sassy. I really appreciate the fact that you (and others... thank you for the scripture, PG
Many times, Christians can be condescending (as can non-Christians). That is a *huge* turn off for someone in search of God. I do not think he would want his people to be that way to others. He surely was not, from what I have read.
So a big thank you to the religious/Christian/spiritual folk in this thread for reaching out in a positive way.
I really appreciate that this thread has remained on course and not become ugly.
You make some excellent points, Sassy. I really appreciate the fact that you (and others... thank you for the scripture, PG
Many times, Christians can be condescending (as can non-Christians). That is a *huge* turn off for someone in search of God. I do not think he would want his people to be that way to others. He surely was not, from what I have read.
So a big thank you to the religious/Christian/spiritual folk in this thread for reaching out in a positive way.
I really appreciate that this thread has remained on course and not become ugly.
I really appreciate people who are sincere... that is the most important thing to me.
You have to walk the walk, Drio. It's not enough to say forgive me. You have to mean it and never go back to it. You say you're a 'good' person. What constitutes 'good' in your mind? Your idea of 'good' may be leaps and bounds away from what God would consider. Saying you never killed anyone doesn't make you good. It makes you more desirable to be let in, but not necessarily good.
As long as they truly believed, and as long as they never went back, what would prevent them from entering heaven?
By the way, Hitler was a professed Christian. He was not an Atheist. He actually believed that what he did, he did in the name of the Lord.
He obviously did not walk the walk, but how do we know he did not truly repent before his death?
If he did, would he not be allowed everlasting life?
As far as being a good person, does following the 10 Commandments simply make on e good? As per your example, simply not killing anyone would not necessarily make one a good person. Wouldn't the same logic apply to the other commandments? So, what is the measure of good, if not the 10 commandments? Doesn't walking the walk include what is in ones heart? We can only judge the measure of our good by what we know, right?
I think the true measure of a person is not always in their acts, but in their hearts. Claiming to be a Christian and following the 10 Commandments to the letter means nothing if one has a hard, unforgiving, judgmental heart. That's JMHO.
In that case, why did Abraham and Noah need 600 years to gain faith in god, but god expects us measly humans to do it in about ~80? I don't think that's fair. Does he think that we're BETTER than Abraham and Noah?
As long as they truly believed, and as long as they never went back, what would prevent them from entering heaven?
By the way, Hitler was a professed Christian. He was not an Atheist. He actually believed that what he did, he did in the name of the Lord.
He obviously did not walk the walk, but how do we know he did not truly repent before his death?
If he did, would he not be allowed everlasting life?
As far as being a good person, does following the 10 Commandments simply make on e good? As per your example, simply not killing anyone would not necessarily make one a good person. Wouldn't the same logic apply to the other commandments? So, what is the measure of good, if not the 10 commandments? Doesn't walking the walk include what is in ones heart? We can only judge the measure of our good by what we know, right?
I think the true measure of a person is not always in their acts, but in their hearts. Claiming to be a Christian and following the 10 Commandments to the letter means nothing if one has a hard, unforgiving, judgmental heart. That's JMHO.
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He obviously did not walk the walk, but how do we know he did not truly repent before his death?
If he did, would he not be allowed everlasting life?
As far as being a good person, does following the 10 Commandments simply make on e good? As per your example, simply not killing anyone would not necessarily make one a good person. Wouldn't the same logic apply to the other commandments? So, what is the measure of good, if not the 10 commandments? Doesn't walking the walk include what is in ones heart? We can only judge the measure of our good by what we know, right?
I think the true measure of a person is not always in their acts, but in their hearts. Claiming to be a Christian and following the 10 Commandments to the letter means nothing if one has a hard, unforgiving, judgmental heart. That's JMHO.
I think you're absolutely right about living the life means nothing if you have a hard heart. I believe there are many people who think they're going to Heaven and may not be, because they don't have a relationship with God, because their hearts are hard. I wouldn't know for sure (again, I'm not the judge), but the Bible does say that you are not saved by works (following the Commandments to the letter), but by the faith in the grace of God. That's it. There is no other way given in the New Testament.
I think we all agree that everyone (from both sides) are acting civilized.
I think we all agree that I have the most posts in this thread by far.
I think we all agree to disagree for the most part.
events just happen to fall in to place to affect the outcome. I do not think nearly enough credit is given to yourself or your fellow man especially in regards to people that come close to death that have a strong religious background. It always seems that they must attribute to being saved by g_d however neglect to look at the fact that hey the surgeon didn't have to do anything. He could have just let you die on the table he had a choice to make to either save you or not to save you...not g_d. I am sure I will hear the argument well g_d put him there to save me....I say hogwash...if that was the case and g_d has a designed plan what does it matter what we do?
Here is another thought:
What if AH did not repent simply because he honestly and faithfully believed that what he was doing was the right thing? What happens to someone who believe, but is grossly misguided in his actions?
*head spins*
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Here is another thought:
What if AH did not repent simply because he honestly and faithfully believed that what he was doing was the right thing? What happens to someone who believe, but is grossly misguided in his actions?
*head spins*
Good questions...hmmm
Personally, I hedge my bets by just asking forgiveness generally for my sins