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doesn't matter if he accredited his own talents to g_d or not it doesn't automatically make it the case the g_d was responsible. Could it have been the 7 years of school but countless more as a intern and resident? Could it have been his parents genes and upbringing as well. coincidence does not mean g_d.

That would be like saying the basketball team wins because the cheerleaders wear light blue ribbons in their hair.

You are right, Drio, God does judge whether people are good enough. And we aren't, not one of us is good enough. Because perfection can only be around perfection. None of us are perfect.

When God judges Christians, he somehow see's us through Jesus' blood, he see's us through Jesus' perfection. Jesus did something on the cross that allows our sins to be as if they never happened, in eternal terms, so that we can be with God when we die.

It is something we can't earn, if we could we wouldn't have needed Jesus to begin with. It is a free gift of love, because he wants to be with us.

1. It does matter that he gives credit where it's due, because in so doing, he elevates God, gives God glory, and God loves glory, so in my belief system, would continue to elevate the talents of the surgeon for His own glorification.

1. It does matter that he gives credit where it's due, because in so doing, he elevates God, gives God glory, and God loves glory, so in my belief system, would continue to elevate the talents of the surgeon for His own glorification.
2. If his parents genes contributed, I once again fall back on my God created science and all that goes into it, including the genetic pool, to point to his fantastic genes.
3. If the surgeon received a great education, I credit God with the fabulous professors who taught him and the genes of their parents.
4. You name it Coincidence, I name it God. The difference between us is that I believe it should be worshipped and that it has physical properties.
5. You addressed the one particular piece of the puzzle that I said you could remove, because it was the one piece being refuted. I'm not clear on why it's the piece you chose to continue refuting. Take him out of the equation, if you wish. The staggering amount of things that had to come together to save my life (not to mention the amount of time I lived in order for them all to come together, and the fact that I'm STILL living, while the overwhelming majority of people with my condition die within weeks after having the surgery I had) is what I'm pointing to as my own personal miracle. Should each person on this board, on the Internet, or in the world believe otherwise, it will never sway what I know to be true. God was on my side that day as he has been in the past, and as he will be in the future.

I do differ a little on that belief. I don't think God cares so much about being glorified. He's all powerful, he doesn't need us to tell him how great he is. But, I do believe that we need to glorify him. We, as humans, connect with that. It helps us to understand, respect, dedicate ourselves, etc.


See...not one right answer on a lot of doctrine for all Christians. We're all still learning, studying, growing, etc.---to whoever it was that mocked we all have the answers scripted.

I'm really a lost cause. But thanks Sassy. Hearing all that just makes me want to punch a wall. I'm just going to do my best to be a good person.... just because. Tell god that it's his loss.

From what I've seen from your responses so far.. you've sent me and all other non-believers as well as those who follow the Jewish faith to hell. Can you tell me who exactly makes it into heaven, and where you learned this from?

From what I've seen from your responses so far.. you've sent me and all other non-believers as well as those who follow the Jewish faith to hell. Can you tell me who exactly makes it into heaven, and where you learned this from?

It's pretty basic Christian theology. I believe that those who believe in Jesus and accept his gift of dying on the cross are those who will be forgiven and who will go to heaven. It's a pretty basic definition of Christianity. I learned it from the Bible.

Below is my interpretation of what was written above, obviously with a slant.

1. God is superficial.
2. God created science? Science doesn't believe in god, if god created science he'd at least make science prove he exists.
3. The university in which he got his eduction would probably credit the professors, or the money or something else. This goes back to the point of "God controls everything and we're just puppets" so what's the point of living - we have no free will. IF we do have free will, then god can NOT have interventions. Those two things ARE mutually exclusive.
4. No comment.
5. Again this could be attributed to your body's inner strength.

I'm really a lost cause. But thanks Sassy. Hearing all that just makes me want to punch a wall. I'm just going to do my best to be a good person.... just because. Tell god that it's his loss.

It's pretty basic Christian theology. I believe that those who believe in Jesus and accept his gift of dying on the cross are those who will be forgiven and who will go to heaven. It's a pretty basic definition of Christianity. I learned it from the Bible.

In her opinion (and I'm not trying to mock you or be condescending Brgnhntr), if you're christian and believe in god and ask for forgiveness and live your life trying to be a good person at heart (AND chose the CORRECT god), you're going to heaven.

Everyone else is going to hell.

*Also not only the Jewish faith (even though it's the most closely linked to christianity), every other religion as well.

And when you say Jesus, are you referring to the Holy Trinity or Jesus, the guy that lived a couple thousand years ago?

Also, what about an infant that dies at a young age before he/she can even communicate, let alone conceive the notion of a higher power? Obviously they haven't believed in God. Same goes for isolated indigenous people from (insert foreign country here), they've never had missionary come to their door and profess the saving grace of God. They only live their lives according to what they've been taught, which just so happened to not include that of a higher power.