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December 2, 2007 at
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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Also, what about an infant that dies at a young age before he/she can even communicate, let alone conceive the notion of a higher power? Obviously they haven't believed in God. Same goes for isolated indigenous people from (insert foreign country here), they've never had missionary come to their door and profess the saving grace of God. They only live their lives according to what they've been taught, which just so happened to not include that of a higher power.
I brought up C.S. Lewis a few posts ago. He wrote a series of childrens books that began with "the Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe". The last book in the series "the Last Battle" touches on a very controversial subject that many people touched on in this thread, "Which one is the right God". I don't know if it is the right answer, but I have always agreed with the answer at the end of this book.
I don't often recommend books, because I think most books are for people in certain times of their lives, and the book might not mean as much to someone else not in that same time. But I do recommend C.S. Lewis' books, as he may have a more rational, unemotional answer to many of your questions.
2. If his parents' genes contributed, I once again fall back on my God created science and all that goes into it, including the genetic pool, to point to his fantastic genes.
3. If the surgeon received a great education, I credit God with the fabulous professors who taught him and the genes of their parents (see #2).
4. You name it Coincidence, I name it God. The difference between us is that I believe it should be worshipped and that it has physical properties.
5. You addressed the one particular piece of the puzzle that I said you could remove, because it was the one piece being refuted. I'm not clear on why it's the piece you chose to continue refuting. Take him out of the equation, if you wish. The staggering amount of things that had to come together to save my life (not to mention the amount of time I lived in order for them all to come together, and the fact that I'm STILL living, while the overwhelming majority of people with my condition die within weeks after having the surgery I had) is what I'm pointing to as my own personal miracle. Should each person on this board, on the Internet, or in the world believe otherwise, it will never sway what I know to be true. God was on my side that day as he has been in the past, and as he will be in the future.
I'm also very curious as to why you won't type the word "God".
If god is to be credited with all that, by that logic, God, and not man, would be responsible for all the horrible, miserable, and downright scary, crazy things that happen. So, if he is responsible for the genes which created your doctor who saved your life (thereby making him-God- responsible for saving your life), he would also be responsible for the genes of serial killers and all the other sick, twisted crazies out there. Or does he take credit for the good and put the other off on man or the devil? I am being totally serious when I ask that.
I think we all agree that everyone (from both sides) are acting civilized.
I think we all agree that I have the most posts in this thread by far.
I think we all agree to disagree for the most part.
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2. Science hasn't gotten to the point of knowing what God knows. As I said earlier, my belief is that He is the greatest scientist ever to be or ever will be. Man-science is still scratching it's head in wonder and awe.
3. Sure we have free will to believe in God or not. Nowhere is it written that God can't intervene on his creations for His benefit. Physician, if you know so much, heal thyself, as it were.
2. Assuming there is no god, I agree (science has come far, but not far enough to explain all questions asked).
I just meant to say that it's frustrating because even after your reply.. it just sounds crazy to me. I don't understand why everyone's adopted it... and I don't understand why I feel like I'm the only one that finds God's action/behavior/deeds/judgement to be completely disagreeable.
I love your posts Sassy.
You all have been great.
I can imagine that trying to go over and over something like this, to share your beliefs to people who don't get it, can be very frustrating. It would be easy to throw up your hands and say forget it. I appreciate the patience in this thread. :-)
That being said, I guess that's one thing I don't get.
The creator of all makes good things happen but only allows bad things. So he gets credit for the glory but not the gory? I guess I see some contradiction there. I'm sorry if I just don't get it.
Here is what I know~ when God fulfilled his plan with Jesus, he used almost only people that were "being used" by the devil. The Pharisees, the government, none of them were truly seeking God's will when they sentenced Jesus to death, but it accomplished what God wanted.
When bad things happen to us the first thing we do is question it, "what have I done? Why is this happening to me?" We want to assign blame as soon as possible; God let me down, the enemy is attacking me, I did something wrong.
Often people do that to other people, judging them "well if she hadn't let him drive that wouldn't have happened." We always want to figure out why bad things happen so that we can prevent them from happening to us.
From those things this is what I have concluded. All mankind is born with a sin nature. All mankind is born with God given gifts. Is mankind going to allow his/her actions to be motivated out of sin nature, or out of operating God given gifts? God allows us the choice. God said good and bad things happen to both "the good and the bad". I think we like to blame God for peoples bad choices, and "blame" (I know this isnt' the right word) people for their good choices, leaving God out of it. He Gave us a choice, and if we want to operate in Him, he does bless us, and help us. If we operate in our sin nature he might use us to accomplish his will still, but we also will be hurting people in our lives and path by our choices.
Yes, a man went to school for 7 years to be a doctor. Can anyone become a doctor? Can anyone be a musician? Can anyone be a writer? A theologist? A teacher? I don't think anyone can be those things. This is where we say God gave him the gift. The doctor professes to serving God, and gives God the glory for this gift.
So man is aware from birth of God. What he chooses to do with that awareness is up to each person. It doesn't matter if one lives in bush country Australia or a deep dark cave under a mountain, he was born with the awareness. Now, to get to those in those areas has been a struggle, even to enlighten those in countries where Christianity is verboten to speak of is a whole other story. Salvation comes through knowledge of Christ. He died for us so that we in our imperfections can still attain the afterlife. God needs for us to be perfect which we aren't, so Jesus is the way through his perfection. I read somewhere a few years ago that by the year 2008 (I think) every corner of the world will have had the ability to access a Bible and/or be able to read or hear about Jesus. What people chose to do with that info once it is given to them is up to them.
-God won't accept us into Heaven unless we give him recognition and praise.
-God will "only be friends with us if we want to be friends with him first"
-Heaven is this country club (of sorts): a special place, only for special people... not everyone is accepted
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