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Santa Barbara murders
May 26, 2014 at
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Hundreds gathered at a memorial service Sunday night to mourn six young people killed two nights earlier by a gunman in a California college town.
Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.
Linky [chicagotribune.com]
Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.
Just a thought.
I hope this thread doesn't end up in The Place That Shall Not Be Named.
Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.
Linky [chicagotribune.com]
Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.
Just a thought.
I hope this thread doesn't end up in The Place That Shall Not Be Named.
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Aren't the educators of our kids supposed to be open minded and not fall into the trap of preconceived notions?
public schoolsindoctrination centers is destroying out country and you roll your eyes and tell me that not everything has to do with politics.The liberals fully endorse the things you are complaining about. Openly. They don't try to hide it. I don't need to blame anybody--they are proud of their efforts to keep kids from experiencing failure. It must be nice to live in a world where you can live with your head in the sand and pretend that you can't see the source of the things you admit are a huge problem.
And blaming one group? The liberals have their act together and are succeeding with what they desire to do. The Republicans are too stuck on their own desire for power to do anything useful to actually fix anything. And the public in general is too apathetic and focused on their own minute little existences to even pay attention to what is going on in the world around them. When you try to get people to use their brain a little bit and apply a little reason they just start to yawn and return to their facebook and twitter world.
You talk about dealing with this every day--where do you think it comes from if I am so wrong?
As I said, I don't need to blame the liberals--they are proud to take the "credit" for it. They are proud of their efforts, why do you need to try and pretend differently? Why try to deny something on their behalf something that they are proud of?
As I said previously but you can't comprehend with your head in the sand--it isn't the liberals' fault--it is the fault of all of the rest of us that let it continue. But go on whining about how "the bunny blames everything on the liberals".
As long as you keep seeing things through that prism you are just continuing the indoctrination with your teaching. Hopefully enough of the students can overcome it as they learn from reality when they are out of school and facing real world problems.
BTW... saying that you don't need to blame the liberals because the blame is so obvious you don't need to blame them is still blaming them.
And this may be where the Asperger's came in more - his lack of social experience/skill/ability likely prevented him from communicating in any meaningful way with girls. However, it's hard to not view this individual as selfish, spoiled, and suffering from affluenza when they can get most everything they want and pitch a fit and literally kill people when they can't get something.
The BMW just kind of helped solidify that.
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Thank goodness I don't live anywhere near you!
Everything is always someone else's fault and they always expect someone else to come in and clean up their messes and save them from the consequences of their own laziness and apathy. The self esteem generation of kids is going to be the downfall of this country because they don't have even the most rudimentary tools to survive in the real world and yet someday they are going to be running things. God help us when that day comes.
Serious question though:
I saw that mentality from a lot of kids when I was still in school and I'm sure it is a lot worse now. I only had a couple of professors/instructors who wouldn't put up with the whiny bullshit and from your posts I wouldn't think you would tolerate it either.
You are fortunate to be in a position to do something about the behavior of these "lazy self entitled kids". How do you handle that and what do you do individually to attempt to make them see life differently?
Haha. I have no intention to kill random people. I think it's selfish. Besides...the gun thing is so cliche.
I'll keep reading and follow up. Good thing it's my day off.
When I have problems, I deal with them on my own. I do not take it out on others.
Thank goodness I don't live anywhere near you!
I'll keep reading and follow up. Good thing it's my day off.
When I have problems, I deal with them on my own. I do not take it out on others.
Then, one day...
And that you are going to use a far more devastating weapon to kill them?
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I'll keep reading and follow up. Good thing it's my day off.
When I have problems, I deal with them on my own. I do not take it out on others.
It's clear that he has some sort of narcissism going on, and also clear that he doesn't exactly do the whole social interaction thing well. It makes me wonder if he really has Aspergers, or if rich parents swayed doctors to diagnose his personality disorder in a certain way.