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boboli
02-02-2015 at 02:09 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:09 PM.
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Cool, you mean the investigation is over? Link to the results please.

Or are you just jumping to a conclusion without knowing the truth like everyone else?
What I want to know is WHY were the Patriots never fined for a clear violation of NFL rules with the inflated balls?? It's a clear violation of the rules - should be fined/punished - then appeal the fine/punishment with 'so called' investigation...and Old Man Kraft 'demanding an apology from the NFL???

But as Sherman correctly stated: ""Will they be punished? Probably not," Sherman told reporters, via Don Banks of SI.com. "Not as long as Robert Kraft and Goodell are still taking pictures [together] at their respective homes. I think he was just at Kraft's house last week for the AFC Championship. Talk about conflict of interest. You know, as long as that happens, it won't affect them at all. Nothing will."
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hsjpatman
02-02-2015 at 02:14 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:14 PM.
Quote from boboli :
What I want to know is WHY were the Patriots never fined for a clear violation of NFL rules with the inflated balls?? It's a clear violation of the rules - should be fined/punished - then appeal the fine/punishment with 'so called' investigation...and Old Man Kraft 'demanding an apology from the NFL???

But as Sherman correctly stated: ""Will they be punished? Probably not," Sherman told reporters, via Don Banks of SI.com. "Not as long as Robert Kraft and Goodell are still taking pictures [together] at their respective homes. I think he was just at Kraft's house last week for the AFC Championship. Talk about conflict of interest. You know, as long as that happens, it won't affect them at all. Nothing will."
They haven't been fined because there's no proof that they did anything.
Read the links above and learn how it's all BS even if the accusations were true.
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PaintTheSkyGrey
02-02-2015 at 02:15 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:15 PM.
Quote from hsjpatman :
All the BS smearing should have never occurred unless there was proof, which there isn't.
The facts clearly show it was BS, and even if it wasn't, they gained no real advantage, and in fact as shown in the SS video below, it was a disadvantage.
Interesting fact, Pats were up 17-7 at halftime against the Colts.
After the NFL made sure the balls were inflated to the correct PSI, they scored 28 unanswered points.
None of it matters anyways as the haters will never shut up.


http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/01/...erinflated

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30....html?_r=0

http://youtu.be/VZ_S8F3mKFE
The thing is, some people somehow claim it violates the "integrity" of the game.

But a guy beats a wife and they let him keep playing? Not as big of a deal. Guy beats his kids? Still not as big of a deal. Team with most number of PED violations? No asterisk on their last SB win. Team with a coach who has had wins and rings stripped from him? Gets fined for illegal practicing in the off-season, and coaches the aforementioned PED-leading team? Still no asterisk. But heaven help you if your balls might maybe possibly have a little less air than regulation. Totally cheaters and should have had their SB opportunity ripped from them.

Ray farking Lewis was bitching about how it violates the integrity of the game. RAY LEWIS, the guy who helped his buddies commit murder got off with first-offender probation because he agreed to testify against them, says that a little bit of air in the ball affects the integrity of the game.
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Iaaaiws
02-02-2015 at 02:44 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:44 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
The thing is, some people somehow claim it violates the "integrity" of the game.

But a guy beats a wife and they let him keep playing? Not as big of a deal. Guy beats his kids? Still not as big of a deal. Team with most number of PED violations? No asterisk on their last SB win. Team with a coach who has had wins and rings stripped from him? Gets fined for illegal practicing in the off-season, and coaches the aforementioned PED-leading team? Still no asterisk. But heaven help you if your balls might maybe possibly have a little less air than regulation. Totally cheaters and should have had their SB opportunity ripped from them.

Ray farking Lewis was bitching about how it violates the integrity of the game. RAY LEWIS, the guy who helped his buddies commit murder got off with first-offender probation because he agreed to testify against them, says that a little bit of air in the ball affects the integrity of the game.
Well, I've never defended any of the wife beaters or child beaters or other law-breakers, and if convicted I think it is best for everyone if they are booted. But none of that violates the integrity of the game. Both need to be dealt with by the teams and the nfl but it's basically apples and oranges. Maybe I am splitting hares hairs but the integrity of the game and the integrity of the league are two equally important but different things.
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PaintTheSkyGrey
02-02-2015 at 02:47 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:47 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Well, I've never defended any of the wife beaters or child beaters or other law-breakers, and if convicted I think it is best for everyone if they are booted. But none of that violates the integrity of the game. Both need to be dealt with by the teams and the nfl but it's basically apples and oranges. Maybe I am splitting hares hairs but the integrity of the game and the integrity of the league are two equally important but different things.
Well, how do you expect the players to uphold the integrity of the game if they can't even uphold basic laws outside of the game? I think you're correct in that League vs game isn't the same, but I think that one closely follows the other. I don't think someone that skated away from a murder charge would really have moral qualms about bending the rules of a game to make themselves more money, for instance.
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Joe Davola
02-02-2015 at 02:48 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:48 PM.
Spygate was all BS too. Hide
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Iaaaiws
02-02-2015 at 02:49 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:49 PM.
Quote from hsjpatman :
All the BS smearing should have never occurred unless there was proof, which there isn't.
The facts clearly show it was BS, and even if it wasn't, they gained no real advantage, and in fact as shown in the SS video below, it was a disadvantage.
Interesting fact, Pats were up 17-7 at halftime against the Colts.
After the NFL made sure the balls were inflated to the correct PSI, they scored 28 unanswered points.
None of it matters anyways as the haters will never shut up.


http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/01/...erinflated

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30....html?_r=0

http://youtu.be/VZ_S8F3mKFE
You do realize that nothing there is a fact proving anything right? Like everything else those are good arguments in defense of the Patriots, but hardly "facts" clearly showing anything. If you use those to conclude your position without anything conclusive you are just as bad as everyone convicting the Pats before all the details are known.

As far as whether it helps or not that is irrelevant anyway. Like I said earlier, just because someone sucks at cheating then it doesn't mean they aren't cheaters.
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02-02-2015 at 02:49 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:49 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Well, I've never defended any of the wife beaters or child beaters or other law-breakers, and if convicted I think it is best for everyone if they are booted. But none of that violates the integrity of the game. Both need to be dealt with by the teams and the nfl but it's basically apples and oranges. Maybe I am splitting hares hairs but the integrity of the game and the integrity of the league are two equally important but different things.
No response to the point from paint about PED's?
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Iaaaiws
02-02-2015 at 02:51 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:51 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Well, how do you expect the players to uphold the integrity of the game if they can't even uphold basic laws outside of the game? I think you're correct in that League vs game isn't the same, but I think that one closely follows the other. I don't think someone that skated away from a murder charge would really have moral qualms about bending the rules of a game to make themselves more money, for instance.
If you can tell me where I disagree with that then I will address it. You seem to be saying the same thing I did but want to argue anyway? Dontknow
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Iaaaiws
02-02-2015 at 02:54 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:54 PM.
Quote from hsjpatman :
No response to the point from paint about PED's?
PED violations would fall under integrity of the game and should be dealt with as equally as any other method of cheating.
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02-02-2015 at 02:54 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:54 PM.
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If you can tell me where I disagree with that then I will address it. You seem to be saying the same thing I did but want to argue anyway? Dontknow
You're saying it's apple and oranges. I'm saying it's more like nectarines and navel oranges.

If you can't trust the players off the field, you can't trust them on the field.

Not directed towards you specifically, but here's a good video I saw earlier today (probably more appropriate for the deflategate thread, but whatevs):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkOBYbUBJw
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Iaaaiws
02-02-2015 at 02:55 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:55 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
You're saying it's apple and oranges. I'm saying it's more like nectarines and navel oranges.

If you can't trust the players off the field, you can't trust them on the field.
Ah, so we agree on everything except the fruit.

Not sure what else can be discussed here. laugh out loud
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boboli
02-02-2015 at 02:55 PM.
02-02-2015 at 02:55 PM.
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They haven't been fined because there's no proof that they did anything.
Read the links above and learn how it's all BS even if the accusations were true.
oh - ok - it's just a big conspiracy - thanks for clearing that up. i guess everyone is wrong and it's just strictly coincidence that 11 of 12 balls were under-inflated. i guess spygate was a media conspiracy as well. perhaps oliver stone should do a movie on this to rectify the situation.

Bad Media! Bad NFL! How dare you smear the Patriots good name: https://nfllabor.files.wordpress....ment-2.pdf

"While the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs that were under-inflated were used by the Patriots in the first half, the footballs were properly inflated for the second half and confirmed at the conclusion of the game to have remained properly inflated."
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02-02-2015 at 03:06 PM.
02-02-2015 at 03:06 PM.
Quote from boboli :
oh - ok - it's just a big conspiracy - thanks for clearing that up. i guess everyone is wrong and it's just strictly coincidence that 11 of 12 balls were under-inflated.
One ball (coincidentally the only ball that was in the possession of the Colts' equipment staff) was under by 2 PSI. One was not under the limit. The rest were barely under the limit, per the NFL themselves.

Quote from boboli :
i guess spygate was a media conspiracy as well. perhaps oliver stone should do a movie on this to rectify the situation.
"Spygate" was an incident in which the Patriots were guilty of filming from an inappropriate location. Nothing more, nothing less. They admitted to it when called out, paid their fines, and moved on. It's not as big of a scandal or even deal as some people try to make it out to be.

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Bad Media! Bad NFL! How dare you smear the Patriots good name: https://nfllabor.files.wordpress....ment-2.pdf

"While the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs that were under-inflated were used by the Patriots in the first half, the footballs were properly inflated for the second half and confirmed at the conclusion of the game to have remained properly inflated."
So if it's such a clear-cut case of cheating, where are the NFL's results of their investigation? Why have they said it would take a couple more weeks? Why are they consulting with university physics departments to figure out if atmospheric changes were responsible for deflation? look around

Furthermore, if they were inflated to 12.5 and dropped barely under during the game... It would make sense that if they then inflated them to 13.5 at half, they'd deflate to barely under 13.5, making them still legal.

But I'm sure it's all a conspiracy to protect the Patriots, right?
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02-02-2015 at 03:07 PM.
02-02-2015 at 03:07 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :

Not directed towards you specifically, but here's a good video I saw earlier today (probably more appropriate for the deflategate thread, but whatevs):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkOBYbUBJw
I've played devil's advocate a lot in this argument about deflate-gate from the beginning, but my position is and has been that the football tampering is something that likely goes on in pretty much every game by every team and it is has just been ignored because nobody cares and nobody wants it taken away from themselves so they don't say anything about anybody else. If that is the case then the Patriots and Brady shouldn't have their legacy tainted because of this overblown drama.

But, if it turns out that isn't the case and those footballs have always been closely watched over and the Pats intentionally found a way to get past that then they should have this hanging over their heads.

And as I also have said, if this has been something regularly done across the league and it turns out the Colts set it up as a witch hunt then that is just as bad an infraction and they should be strung up themselves.

If nothing can be proven one way or the other (the most likely outcome) then nobody on either side is likely to change what they already believe.
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