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Lorex 16 channel 4K NVR w/4TB HDD 9x 4K "AD" IP POE cameras LNR1649KXB at Costco $999.99

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Lorex 16-channel 4K UHD NVR Surveillance System with 4TB HDD and 9 4K Active Deterrence Cameras

Item 1259671Model LNR1649KXB
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9 UHD "4K:/8MP Bullet Active Deterrence Cameras with Color Night Vision™
16-channel 4K NVR
Active Deterrence Dual LED Light
Remote Triggered Siren Alert
Ultra-wide 128° viewing angle


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mat2000
12-05-2018 at 10:39 AM.
12-05-2018 at 10:39 AM.
Deal was originally posted by bhuvanaram ( Thanks Bhuvanaram )
https://slickdeals.net/f/12400210-lorex-security-caneras

As this deal is a part of the Costco 12 days of deals I wanted to fill out some more data on it for the purposes to add it to the master list thread and make this information easier to search and find in the future when comparing deals.



My take on the kit:
  • 1) Nice 16 port NVR - appears to be similar to the Dahua OEM NVR5216-16-4KS2 w/o the IVS features
  • 2) These 4K IP Active Deterrence Cameras are new Dahua OEM cameras - we've had a discussion on these before. We have not seen any head to head reviews of the cameras compared the other Lorex or Dahua OEM cameras. So hard to know how well these compare to other camera models. I personally like the more traditional turret and bullet form factors more as they allow me to mount the cameras in a way which keeps the cable protected from cutting and UV exposure. Suspect that the newer 8MP cameras from Lorex may have a better imaging quality - this is only suspected based on what Lorex advertises, so until someone can do a side by side comparison I really do not know.
  • 3) Costco has a great return policy
  • 4) If you need audio recording ( remember to check your state's wiretap laws ), then the newer 8MP turrents ( Lorex calls them Domes ), the newest 8MP 30fps bullets, and the 2K mini-dome IP POE cameras from Lorex have microphones.
  • 5) If you need 2-way talkie and the other bells and whistles then this is the IP POE model that has those check list features.
  • 6) 4K IP Active Deterrence Cameras has a very wide FOV 128°- and thus a very short ID distance compared to 8MP cameras which have tighter FOVs.


FYI - WiFi version of this camera

https://slickdeals.net/f/12386353-lorex-wifi-1080p-security-camera-w-pir-lights-2-way-talk-alarm-2-pack-202-99-4-pack-342-99-6-pack-482-99

update:
Lorex page on this kit
https://www.lorextechnology.com/s...649KXB-1-p

NVR: LNR6164T ( LNR600X series of models, 16 = channels / ports thus 616, .. not certain what the 4 and T mean in the model number )

LNB8105X camera:
Heat Rating: 122°F | 50°C
Cold Rating: -22°F | -30°C
Water Rating: IP66
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12-05-2018 at 10:41 AM.
12-05-2018 at 10:41 AM.
It would be nice if you could use the camera in this set with any lorex NVR, but I don't think that is the case. Wish I held out for this.
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12-05-2018 at 10:51 AM.
12-05-2018 at 10:51 AM.
Quote from SteelPantherRules :
It would be nice if you could use the camera in this set with any lorex NVR, but I don't think that is the case. Wish I held out for this.
Hi SteelPantherRules,

I think that may be possible - probably would just have to update the firmware on the NVR I would hope.

Members at ipcamtalk are waiting to get their hands on the Dahua OEM version of the camera to test it. ( Andy the recommended vendor just got a sample in ).

Once this gets figured out, you should be able to augment your NVR with a couple of these AD cameras.

I do not expect these cameras to be as good for quality of image capture as the Lorex cameras which came out this last year. We'll see soon I hope when someone can do a complete review and head to head comparison. ( at this time I feel a lot of the bells and whistles which consumers want on cameras are not really worth as much as they imagine )
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12-05-2018 at 10:55 AM.
12-05-2018 at 10:55 AM.
Quote from mat2000 :
Hi SteelPantherRules,

I think that may be possible - probably would just have to update the firmware on the NVR I would hope.

Members at ipcamtalk are waiting to get their hands on the Dahua OEM version of the camera to test it. ( Andy the recommended vendor just got a sample in ).

Once this gets figured out, you should be able to augment your NVR with a couple of these AD cameras.

I do not expect these cameras to be as good for quality of image capture as the Lorex cameras which came out this last year. We'll see soon I hope when someone can do a complete review and head to head comparison. ( at this time I feel a lot of the bells and whistles which consumers want on cameras are not really worth as much as they imagine )

That's great news. Thanks.
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EagerActivity1630
12-05-2018 at 11:00 AM.
12-05-2018 at 11:00 AM.
Is this a sd? Is not having ivs a big deal? Is this available in store? If its a sd need it asap for use out of country, leaving sunday. Frown
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illtww
12-05-2018 at 11:02 AM.
12-05-2018 at 11:02 AM.
Hrmm... Seem like these kits keep getting better and better.

Questions:

1. How is the Lorex Software/APP vs say ARLO?  IMPORT FOR WIFE APPROVAL
2. Will this kit support the new Dhaua 8MP cameras if you decided to add in the future? (Greater ID Distance)
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12-05-2018 at 11:22 AM.
12-05-2018 at 11:22 AM.
Quote from EagerActivity1630 :
Is this a sd? Is not having ivs a big deal? Is this available in store? If its a sd need it asap for use out of country, leaving sunday. Frown
Hi EagerActivity

Good deal.

I like the IVS features, but many people are OK without it.

I have not seen these in the couple of stores I have been to.

You'd have to buy it online - not certain if you'd get it in time.

Quote from illtww :
Hrmm... Seem like these kits keep getting better and better.

Questions:

1. How is the Lorex Software/APP vs say ARLO?  IMPORT FOR WIFE APPROVAL
2. Will this kit support the new Dhaua 8MP cameras if you decided to add in the future? (Greater ID Distance)
Hi illtww

Problem is that many people really do not know what is critically important in a security camera system and end up buying something "pretty" and mounting the cameras too high so they "look better there" instead of mounting them where the cameras view "looks better".

In general the Cloud service apps are nicer - because that is how they get you to continue to pay monthly fees... with pretty apps, and less useful image captures.

This kit meets the minimum viable product requirements for a security camera system.

Arlo does not.
Ring does not.
Nest does not.
(*)

If you want to augment this kit with a cloud camera - say covering your front porch in addition to one of the IP POE cameras - that would be useful for many.

Think of it this way,
How many vehicles do you have? use? lease?

A car? a truck? a SUV? a motorbike? a bicycle? - each is different and fulfills some roles better than others, an if you can you probably own / lease or rent or use different ones for different jobs / task.

Same applies for security camera systems and cloud "security cameras" ( I use quotes since the marketers of cloud cameras really are lying in the fit for purpose of being a security camera - yes, they are cameras - but as noted they fail when tested on the MVP requirements of the product category. )

(*) Ref:
Security Camera System Minimal Viable Product requirements:
  • 1) It must be Reliable.
  • 2) It must be able to capture good enough images to potentially ID suspects.
  • 3) It must be useful for evidence. [ thus date and time stamps are critical ]
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12-05-2018 at 12:35 PM.
12-05-2018 at 12:35 PM.
Cameras are only good for -22 degrees F.
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12-05-2018 at 12:50 PM.
12-05-2018 at 12:50 PM.
Quote from gigalevu :
Cameras are only good for -22 degrees F.
Hi gigalevu

You can compare it to the bullet model

LNB8921BW
Heat Rating: 140°F | 60°C
Cold Rating: -22°F | -30°C
Water Rating: IP67

This model is rated better on heat and water

( here's the data for the cameras in this kit )

LNB8105X camera:
Heat Rating: 122°F | 50°C
Cold Rating: -22°F | -30°C
Water Rating: IP66


Update:
Since I was recently looking at the Ring Stick Up wired cameras - here's an example of the specs from Ring:
"Stick Up Cam Wired is weather-resistant with an IP rating of IPX5. It was designed to work at temperatures ranging from -5 to 120 degrees Fahrenheit (-20 to 48.5 degrees Celsius)"

So you can clearly see how the value and quality differences between some of the consumer cloud camera products.
( IP66/IP67 significantly better than IPx5.. surprised Ring didn't explain what the x value is for their product )
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12-05-2018 at 07:46 PM.
12-05-2018 at 07:46 PM.
Hi Mat,

Is this kit better than the q-see that was on sale before?

https://www.costco.com/Q-See-8-Ch...23966.html

These cameras are 5mp but on the Lorex are 8 mp?

Just not sure now if to get this Lorex kit lol
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redeyedog
12-05-2018 at 07:48 PM.
12-05-2018 at 07:48 PM.
Quote from mat2000 :
Once this gets figured out, you should be able to augment your NVR with a couple of these AD cameras.

I do not expect these cameras to be as good for quality of image capture as the Lorex cameras which came out this last year. We'll see soon I hope when someone can do a complete review and head to head comparison. ( at this time I feel a lot of the bells and whistles which consumers want on cameras are not really worth as much as they imagine )
I have one of the older LNR 16 channel NVR's. So, you're saying that I might be able to flash my firmware and use one of these newer cameras in my older Lorex NVR?
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12-05-2018 at 08:14 PM.
12-05-2018 at 08:14 PM.
Quote from mat2000 :
Hi EagerActivity

Good deal.

I like the IVS features, but many people are OK without it.

I have not seen these in the couple of stores I have been to.

You'd have to buy it online - not certain if you'd get it in time.

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Hi mat2000,

Which kit would you recommend with IVS features? Looks like most kits on sale have no IVS or some very basic features.

Thanks for your input.
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LurkerToo
12-05-2018 at 09:30 PM.
12-05-2018 at 09:30 PM.
Is this OK for a commercial building or should I look for a "commercial grade" system? Thanks in advance.
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12-05-2018 at 09:57 PM.
12-05-2018 at 09:57 PM.
Quote from xaqtiv :
Hi mat2000,

Which kit would you recommend with IVS features? Looks like most kits on sale have no IVS or some very basic features.

Thanks for your input.
Thanks xaqtiv,

Montavue had some nicer kits which are Dahua OEM and retain the IVS features.

There's a thread on a couple of kits that were on sale. You'd have to check and see what deals they may still have going on.
( I've posted links in the master list to various deals - look under the wired IP POE section or google montavue security camera https://slickdeals.net/f/12200566-security-camera-security-camera-system-black-friday-cyber-week-2018-master-list )

Otherwise there's a recommended vendor on ipcamtalk that many of us have bought from that sells Dahua OEM IP POE NVRs and cameras.

Also, Nelly's Security iirc has the Hikvision OEM products which may include IVS ( or the equivalent term Hikvision is using ).
( link to Nelly's also in the master list - I think most of their deals have expired though )

Quote from cheetos1 :
Hi Mat,

Is this kit better than the q-see that was on sale before?

https://www.costco.com/Q-See-8-Ch...23966.html

These cameras are 5mp but on the Lorex are 8 mp?

Just not sure now if to get this Lorex kit lol
Hi Cheetos

Get what you can afford, if you can afford more - that typically will give you a better kit in some way. ( and sometimes in some ways you'll lose something )

In this case:
Lorex NVR in this deal is 16 channel NVR - more POE ports, more processing power. NO IVS features. + Lorex
Q-see NVR retains IVS ( IVA functionality ) + Q-see

I'm not a big fan of the AD camera's form factor, I really dislike the cable being exposed. I also dislike very wide FOV cameras - the wider it is the closer it needs to be to suspects for IDing chances - and that also means the lower you need to install the cameras, unless you like to ID bald spots...

A lot of people seem to be sold on chit-chatting with intruders.. must be some Kalifornia thing? ( Ring is a California company and does the Ex-Laker ad with their "Ring Chit Chat with intruders" but mount your cameras far too high. )

Note - the Q-see kit should include the IVS functions ( IVA is what Q-see calls them ), while the Lorex products have stripped these from their IP cameras and NVRs.

I do like the Costco return policy - so good to see a couple of options from them.

If you have a larger house / property I would eventually plan to have more than 4 cameras.

If you have a modest home - then you can always add a Dahua OEM camera or 2 to the Q-see kit. ( remember, it will not be plug and play - you'd need to configure IP, port, user/passwords )

Remember doing a good job cabling and placing the cameras is the most important thing you can do right now.

Quote from redeyedog :
I have one of the older LNR 16 channel NVR's. So, you're saying that I might be able to flash my firmware and use one of these newer cameras in my older Lorex NVR?
Hi Redeyedog,

The "AD" cameras are IP POE cameras and should be using some IP standards for the voice - I'm guessing VoIP, so in theory - yes a firmware upgrade should be able add those features to the recent NVRs Lorex / Dahua sold, especially the ones like your's which is a more powerful model.

That's the theory - we'll see what actually happens. So a lot of us are waiting to see the results of testing on ipcamtalk.

Remember, while the marketing on these "Active Deterrence" " Active Defense" "Active Chit Chat" cameras are really good - they are all fairly new and we've yet to see how practical they are.
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