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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!


Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.


Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.

All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:

30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:

07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500

07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521

07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.

07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
TBD
15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
Title Company Comparisions:
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
  1. AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  2. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
  3. Better.com https://better.com/
  4. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  5. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  6. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  7. HighTechLending http://www.hightechlending.co/Default.aspx
  8. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy!
  9. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
  10. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  11. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  12. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  13. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  14. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  15. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  16. Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  17. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  18. Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/
  19. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  20. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility traviscu.org
  21. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  22. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/
  23. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/


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Quote from MeAPhool :
I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=138543920&postcount=138)

As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/o...-estimate/

I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C".
Good site for daily mortgage news. Subscribe to their daily mortgage rate news to learn about their predictions. Also take a look at the rest of their site.
http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/...age_rates/



Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*

  1. Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.com/
  2. Better.com https://better.com/
  3. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  4. LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com/
  5. owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
  6. NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
  7. Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.com/
  8. Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.org/ Eligibility [traviscu.org]
  9. Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
  10. Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
  11. NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal.org/
  12. United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
  13. BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloans.com/
  14. LoanLock https://www.loanlock.com/
  15. West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
  16. RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.com/
  17. Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe.com/
  18. HighTechLending https://hightechlending.mortgagewebcenter.com/
  19. Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourownloan.com/...sults.aspx
  20. AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
  21. Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
    https://www.amerisave.com/
  22. Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.com/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better.
  23. Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkhomeloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask.
  24. Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmort.com/
  25. Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
  26. Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]

Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com

Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage

Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)


Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool

Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.


Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.

This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).

You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)

You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).

Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.


If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.



If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.

Thanks - MeAPhool

Quote from arouncoumar :
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png?dl=0
Quote from PeterLegend :
Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.

I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them.

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Here is a good read for people to understand how the Hard Pulls affect your Credit:


https://www.thebalance.com/will-m...ore-960544


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Im in PA and looking for a 15 year fixed. Anybody have any suggestions? experiences? im with wells fargo and they are at 4k closing costs, 0.625 points and 3.125%
yeah right?
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Im in PA and looking for a 15 year fixed. Anybody have any suggestions? experiences? im with wells fargo and they are at 4k closing costs, 0.625 points and 3.125%
yeah right?

I too am in PA:


Applied with Better and LoanCabin estimate to bring the initial costs down.
Applied with Watermark and had Better Beat it; if WM had provided what they said as a quote of no cost and a $3500 credit I'd have closed with them.
Loan Depot has been competitive for many others and other Family members but they did not provide anything competitive for my scenario.


Dont forget to use Radian Title Company for your Title Cost; your lender has to put the order with them btw.


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Quote from shahhere :
I too am in PA:


Applied with Better and LoanCabin estimate to bring the initial costs down.
Applied with Watermark and had Better Beat it; if WM had provided what they said as a quote of no cost and a $3500 credit I'd have closed with them.
Loan Depot has been competitive for many others and other Family members but they did not provide anything competitive for my scenario.


Dont forget to use Radian Title Company for your Title Cost; your lender has to put the order with them btw.


Shahhere

Thank you so much, i appreciate any info. Right now im adding an extra 200/month to payment at 4.125 and would payoff in 10 yrs, but in true SD form, I WANT MORE😂
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Quote from shystalips :
Thank you so much, i appreciate any info. Right now im adding an extra 200/month to payment at 4.125 and would payoff in 10 yrs, but in true SD form, I WANT MORE😂

Note that if your loan amount is too low or in the 180k or lower 30 year rates might not be competitive for you. 15 I think so but since I dont shop for them yet i cant directly comment but based on the forum people are noting 2.25% with credit.


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Quote from shahhere :
Note that if your loan amount is too low or in the 180k or lower 30 year rates might not be competitive for you. 15 I think so but since I dont shop for them yet i cant directly comment but based on the forum people are noting 2.25% with credit.


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Yeah, im looking at 15 year fixed.
800 credit score. Home value 260k.
Loan balance 85k
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Yeah, im looking at 15 year fixed.
800 credit score. Home value 260k.
Loan balance 85k

Not sure if this would work but see if you can convince a lender to let you do a "Cash Out" refinance which are higher but think they should be able to bring it down from your 4.125% current rate. That way you are borrowing over the 85K but then the Cashout you take you'd put it back into the mortgage and if you get say even a 3.25% 15 year rate you'd still come out ahead.


Be disciplined and not use the Cashout Smilie and still making the payments at the accelerated schedule.


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Quote from shahhere :
Not sure if this would work but see if you can convince a lender to let you do a "Cash Out" refinance which are higher but think they should be able to bring it down from your 4.125% current rate. That way you are borrowing over the 85K but then the Cashout you take you'd put it back into the mortgage and if you get say even a 3.25% 15 year rate you'd still come out ahead.


Be disciplined and not use the Cashout Smilie and still making the payments at the accelerated schedule.


Shahhere

Didnt think of that.
Looking to pay this off early, im 44 and not getting any younger. Even if i paid and extra 1-200/month. Would love to have this paid off in 8 yrs or so😁
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Quote from shystalips :
Didnt think of that.
Looking to pay this off early, im 44 and not getting any younger. Even if i paid and extra 1-200/month. Would love to have this paid off in 8 yrs or so
Yes, Shahhere's advice is sound. You can utilize this amortization calculator to run your numbers to see you current payout schedule and total interest paid compared to any new numbers/LE you get.

You can select extra payments to see how much sooner your loan would be paid off. Good luck!


https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/mortgages/amortization-calculator.aspx
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Quote from MeAPhool :
Yes, Shahhere's advice is sound. You can utilize this amortization calculator to run your numbers to see you current payout schedule and total interest paid compared to any new numbers/LE you get.

You can select extra payments to see how much sooner your loan would be paid off. Good luck!


https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/mortgages/amortization-calculator.aspx
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Thank you, all this advice will save me thousands, now thats a SD😁
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Quote from shystalips :
Thank you, all this advice will save me thousands, now thats a SD😁

Dont just take my word for it ask questions and reach out to people in the line of business. If you can get a cash out and reduce your 15 year % from 4.125% i'd try that. I have never done it as i Just thought of that while replying to you so if it works post and let others know if this works as a workaround.


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Quote from nikolasmor :
Cash out raises the rate. I'm with PennyMac right now.

Hey Niko;


I have another user asking a question as you know or are doing a cashout refi:


The above member is at 4.125% on a 15 year loan with only 85K left.

Would this work: Take a cashout refi and take out like 50K extra and get a higher than normal 15 yer rate which i've seen go for 2.375%. Would he be able to get something like 2.875%-3%? After the refi make the lump sum back to the mortgage and keeping paying like before hence reducing the overall rate down?

I dont know and I've never done this but this is something I thought of while responding to him but wouldnt want to steer him down the wrong hole but I can see this as a workaround to a lower principle amounts and rate reduction....

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Quote from shahhere :
Hey Niko;


I have another user asking a question as you know or are doing a cashout refi:


The above member is at 4.125% on a 15 year loan with only 85K left.

Would this work: Take a cashout refi and take out like 50K extra and get a higher than normal 15 yer rate which i've seen go for 2.375%. Would he be able to get something like 2.875%-3%? After the refi make the lump sum back to the mortgage and keeping paying like before hence reducing the overall rate down?

I dont know and I've never done this but this is something I thought of while responding to him but wouldnt want to steer him down the wrong hole but I can see this as a workaround to a lower principle amounts and rate reduction....

Shahhere

Oh that's a good one! As long a
A) There isn't a waiting period on the first refi (sometimes there is)
B) It makes sense financially, closing costs, lender fees, etc.
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Quote from missourian :
I am currently on 3.375% 30 year fixed, I am getting a quote from watermark of 2.75% for a 20 year fixed and he is saying it as a no cost loan

If 30 year and 20 year has the exact same option, choosing a 20 year loan a good option?
30 year always better than a 20 year. A 30 year can be turned into a 20 year whenever you want, but not niceversa. It's kind of like saying which is better, I give you $100 and you pay me back in one year, or you pay me back in 2 years. Careful with no cost loan, probably just means origination fees are covered by a credit. You'll might still need to bring many thousand to closing.
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Quote from shahhere :
I too am in PA:


Applied with Better and LoanCabin estimate to bring the initial costs down.
Applied with Watermark and had Better Beat it; if WM had provided what they said as a quote of no cost and a $3500 credit I'd have closed with them.
Loan Depot has been competitive for many others and other Family members but they did not provide anything competitive for my scenario.


Dont forget to use Radian Title Company for your Title Cost; your lender has to put the order with them btw.


Shahhere
I'm still curious to see a quote from Radian for PA rates that magically has them at such a cheap discount. I do know that alttitle.com in PA cannot possibly be beat for rates since they have zero fees beside the 3 required by PA. Basically in PA for a standard refinance it's always going to be $425 plus the Lender's title insurance (automatically determined by the refinance amount here http://www.alphaadv.net/patitle/parate25.html).

Then there are optional fees like notary and courier that most companies charge for, but alttitle covers everything else. Interestingly enough alttitle told me they currently have about a dozen refinances going on now with other people using Better.
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