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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:
07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500
07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521
07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
TBD15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.Title Company Comparisions:
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
- AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
- Better.com https://better.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - HighTechLending http://www.hightechlen
ding.co/Default.aspx - Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy! - LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ - RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility traviscu.org - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
Shahhere
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
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As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfin I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C". |
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Better.com https://better.com/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
- LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.co
m/ - owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility [traviscu.org] - Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
- RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - HighTechLending https://hightechlending
.mortgagewebcen ter.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
https://www.amerisave.com/ - Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better. - Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask. - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
- Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.
com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png
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from PeterLegend
Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.
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I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them. |
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Clarify why you are missing the $906 and why the settlement fee was NOT on the estimate!
Shahhere
To confirm the actual cost of the loan title policy including the discount, take a look at Schedule D of the title commitment issued by Valero (Schedule D in Texas; other states may be different). The cost of the loan title policy and endorsements is listed on there. The applicable discount is already included in the "Loan Policy" price listed on Schedule D.
30 Year
Yesterday best credit was 2.75% for $1,214 lender credit
Today 2.625% for $1,707 lender credit
Keep in mind they do have a $995 origination charge.
Finally, I found it here:
https://njlta.org/page/RateManual
Specifically the PDF linked on the page details the rates for NJ:
https://cdn.ymaws.com/njlta.org/r...1-2019.pdf
On Page 26 in that PDF is the Standard Rate:
The minimum Underwriting Charge in any transaction shall be $200.00.
4.2 STANDARD UNDERWRITING RATE SCHEDULE
The Standard Underwriting Rate for either owner's insurance, leasehold
insurance, or mortgage insurance, shall be calculated according to the
following rate schedule:
Policy Liability Rate per $1,000 or
Fraction Thereof
$0-$100,000 .................................................................................... $5.25
$100,001-$500,000 ..................................................................... add $4.25
$500,001-$2 million ..................................................................... add $2.75
Over $2 million .......................................................................... add $ 2.00
When a refinance, recast or substitution loan is made to the same borrower
on the same property, the following rates shall apply to so much of the new
policy as represents the face amount of the mortgage or mortgages other
than construction loans being refinanced:
Policy Liability Rate per $1,000 or
Fraction Thereof
$0-$100,000........................................................................................ $2.75
$100,001-$500,000...................................................................... add $2.50
$500,001-$2 million ..................................................................... add $2.25
Over $2 million............................................................................. add $1.75
The rate to be applied to the liability assumed, if any, over and above that
which is eligible for the refinance, recast or substitution loan rate set forth
above, shall be calculated using the Standard Underwriting Rate in the
applicable bracket or brackets.
Yesterday best credit was 2.75% for $1,214 lender credit
Today 2.625% for $1,707 lender credit
Keep in mind they do have a $995 origination charge.
The loan officer took about 5 days to get back to me with an LE that didn't include a lender credit (despite their check rates page still showing at least ~$2000 in credits on that very day) and didn't waive appraisal; the quote for (D) was ~$1500 more than LenderFi / Watermark. I asked the LO if they could match (or at the very least match their website) and never heard back -- since they weren't competitive, I didn't bother following up.
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My experience is available here https://slickdeals.net/f/14173061-07-21-2020-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-and-sd-reviews-30year-2-75-15year-2-25-etc?v=1&p=13923
The loan officer took about 5 days to get back to me with an LE that didn't include a lender credit (despite their check rates page still showing at least ~$2000 in credits on that very day) and didn't waive appraisal; the quote for (D) was ~$1500 more than LenderFi / Watermark. I asked the LO if they could match (or at the very least match their website) and never heard back -- since they weren't competitive, I didn't bother following up.D
They have been quick to respond for me at least, so far - but they will not show lender credits on a LE until you lock with them.
They were pretty responsive in the beginning when I locked. Has anyone had any experience with loan cabin and actually closed? Samantha is my LO and I've been ghosted with no updates and no return communication since I sent all the underwriting documents weeks ago. My lock expires first week of September
They were pretty responsive in the beginning when I locked. Has anyone had any experience with loan cabin and actually closed? Samantha is my LO and I've been ghosted with no updates and no return communication since I sent all the underwriting documents weeks ago. My lock expires first week of September
Edited to Add - Yes someone in the thread has closed - here is link to her post/timelines:
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
But as you can see, in her case, it was 3 weeks in underwriting. Since LC's rates are so good, obviously they are in high demand. If you want to have your cake and eat it to, you have to be patient.
I'm happy to work with them because they don't make you jump through hoops to get other LE to beat. They give their best pricing right off the bat.
If you are aware of how traffic works, at the end of the day, all routes will end up close to the same speed. Why? Because once other people hear there is a shortcut, everyone will take that shortcut until the shortcut takes about the same time as the normal route.
Same here. Once people knew LC was providing such great rates, everyone applies. It's not like they can hire tons of people and have them 100% efficient on day 1.
They were pretty responsive in the beginning when I locked. Has anyone had any experience with loan cabin and actually closed? Samantha is my LO and I've been ghosted with no updates and no return communication since I sent all the underwriting documents weeks ago. My lock expires first week of September
If they didn't set your expectations correctly then I can understand your frustration. However if they told you that it would take 3-6 weeks in underwriting, then there's no point to complain.
What exactly do you expect Samantha or any Loan Officer to say if your loan is in underwriting? Underwriting for every lender is another department that the Loan Officer has no influence (and should not have for obvious reasons). The only time LO would contact you while your loan is in underwriting is:
1. Tell you it's approved.
2. Tell you it's rejected.
3. Ask for more documentation based on whatever underwriting is requesting.
In my case, Samantha probably saved me some time. She reviewed my docs before sending it to underwriting and noticed a transfer that might be questioned. I provided her an additional statement showing where the transfer went and explained why. She then sent my loan to underwriting.
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What exactly do you expect Samantha or any Loan Officer to say if your loan is in underwriting? Underwriting for every lender is another department that the Loan Officer has no influence (and should not have for obvious reasons). The only time LO would contact you while your loan is in underwriting is:
1. Tell you it's approved.
2. Tell you it's rejected.
3. Ask for more documentation based on whatever underwriting is requesting.
In my case, Samantha probably saved me some time. She reviewed my docs before sending it to underwriting and noticed a transfer that might be questioned. I provided her an additional statement showing where the transfer went and explained why. She then sent my loan to underwriting.
All your assumptions are false. They tell you to upload docs, and they don't even inform which ones to upload. That's how unprofessional this company is.
Samantha seems to have mixed reviews here. She is not my LO, so I won't comment on her, though you can see a lot of negative reviews. Others are quite horrible. Processing agent is nonexistent. Never even follows up at all.