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Expires 10/31 for 100,000 Times Viewed # 1 Recommended GIGABIT ROUTER; $116 at Target TP-Link Archer AX3000 Dual Band WiFi 6 MU-MIMO Router

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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.
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Target price of $129 less the 10% coupon is $116. Coupon Expires 10/31

#1 Rated by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

You can get the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) for $116 at TARGET (see below)
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

HOW TO GET IT FOR $116 AT TARGET (2 WAYS)
New price is $129 and then apply the 10% off one electronic item (Target circle coupon). Total came to $116 and change. If you are a target Redcard member get additional 5% Redcard discount[/QUOTE]

10% coupon can be found here (Expires October 31):
https://slickdeals.net/?sdtid=14448551&sdop=1&sdpid=141342461&sdfid=30&lno=1&trd=https%20www%20target%20com%20offers%20targ&pv=&au=&sdtrk=SiteSearchV2Algo1&u2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.target.com%2Foffers%2Ftarget-circle[/QUOTE]

At Walmart, you can get the $99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20) model. Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it. Through Target (see above, you can get the AX 3000 for $116)

WALMART
$99 AX1800 (Archer AX 20)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/TP-Lin.../210201077

FOR ONLY $17 More (Target), you can upgrade from the Archer AX20 (AX1800) to the TP-LINK Archer AX50, i.e., AX 3000,
https://www.target.com/p/tp-link-...A-79847621

COMPARISON OF AX20 ($99) VS AX50 ($129) [ Thanks - zpeedster_m ]; Note that "PeteyTheStriker" who is very knowledgeable on routers has commented extensively on this thread has recommended the upgrade from the AX20 to AX50 if you can afford it.
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutte...fi-router/

TP-Link Archer AX50
The best Wi-Fi router
In our tests the TP-Link Archer AX50 created a speedy, responsive network even from across a medium house. You have to spend a lot more on a router—or a mesh kit if you have a very large home—to get anything even a little better. It's our first WI-Fi 6 (802.11ax) router pick.

The TP-Link Archer AX50 is reasonably priced, yet it can handle a growing selection of laptops and smart devices while surpassing the performance of routers that cost twice as much. It's generally speedy and able to reach long range, it has little lag even when the network is busy, and it's a great choice if you have a high-performance internet service plan. It's compatible with Wi-Fi 6, the latest wireless standard, and it comes with built-in security in the form of a lifetime subscription to updates.

TP-Link Archer AX20
If our main pick is unavailable
The Archer AX20 offers fewer features than our pick for a slightly lower price, but in most cases it can keep up in throughput, responsiveness, and ease of setup.

If our pick is out of stock or its price is more than $30 higher, you should consider the TP-Link Archer AX20 instead. The AX20 looks like the AX50 and offers a strong, responsive network that's nearly as good, especially if your house isn't larger than our 2,300-square-foot-test home. But it's not quite as fast at longer ranges, and TP-Link sacrifices a few advanced features and settings in its administration interface to meet the lower price

REVIEWS (Thanks "PeteyTheStriker")
https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.[/QUOTE]

OTHER THINGS TO NOTE:

1. Donknows has a review on the AX3000 (Archer AX 50) this has thoroughly been discredited on this thread.

Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
As was mentioned by me and a few others, that DONGKNOWS review is poorly done. It is not an apples to apples comparison, he used a router with a brand new firmware comparing to an identical router with firmware over 6 months old which had major problems just like any other router around that time. It takes time to work out the bugs and TP-Link, Netgear, Asus to name a few all put out routers with bugged performance with their first set of Wifi 6 routers. So yeah..... Important to make apples to apples instead of reading something without understanding the testing. If he did it the correct way he would have had both side by side on the same firmware.The routers are identical outside USB 3.0 port and Homecare included on one, so you will get identical performance results with the same firmware.

2. CAT7, a CAT 6 or CAT5e cable is needed for gigabit Ethernet. Most cables made for the last 10 years are already 5e, so just saying that cables are usually never a bottleneck.

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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
Agreed on the times, but outside of that its pretty well reviewed on a few sites.

https://play3r.net/reviews/networ...er-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXVGRKgaxYo

https://www.blacktubi.com/review/...cher-ax50/

https://techprojournal.com/tp-lin...ink_AX3000

Overall if you want a entry level to medium end router, you cant go wrong.
I moved this to the original post with credit to you. Thanks.
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Question about installing this with century link gig fiber service. I have an ont installed and google is Zero help.Literally %50 say yes %50 say no to the need for a modem when an ont is present. My current set up is the centlink provided crap and it is simply plugged in thru an ethernet cable running from the ont. The wifi is pathetic with centlink device . I was getting 5 x the speed with comcast dsl at a 500 mbps subscription. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.
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The value of the gas, time and effort will be more than the cost of the savings in a BF deal.
Normally I would agree. I only have 5gal of non ethanol gas left from spring so I need to take the drive soon anyway. Depending on whats going on I go 2 or 3 times a yr and fill 5 or 6 5gal cans at a time.
Edit: Kid just texted me $122 will be here wensday.
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I read reviews that the 5ghz on ac4000 is bad. Thank you for commenting. How about the range on the ax50? What do you think about overall range of ax50 vs ac4000?
TP link C4000 is a wave 2 3x3 radio.

Closer range, the speeds are likely very competitive on AC, AX>AX has a native advantage and should perform better due to AX. AC clients don't share the range benefits.

At range with interference, they likely trade off with AC clients. can go either way depending on the client itself.

I had one of these (C4000) along with an AX58U at the same time. (AX50 has intel 2x2 hardware, might be different)


Quote from JoyTan :
#1: So, generally speaking of course, what is the distance after which 4X$ will tend to hold better speed. 20 feet, 30 feet, 50 feet , 100 feet?

#2: Examples of of AC W2 models close to AX at this price range.

#3: What's the of 3X3 when the Archer AX50, I believe already has 4 streams (4X4?) is is priced at $129.99 at Walmart?
4x4 radios hold speed better at over 20+ feet typically. 2x2 radios start to bottleneck even on AX when factoring interference. 200-250mbps is a low threshold for most modern routers and is likely a non factor in most situations. It's more important to people with 400+ mbps connections..


#2 I listed around 4-5 models in earlier pages


#3 AX50 is 2x2, but has 160mhz optional bandwidth which ironically lowers overall range compared to the typical 80mhz blocks. The only cards I know of that allow 160mhz are intel AC/AX models designed for laptops and desktop. It's kind of a niche feature and likely wont be marketed as heavily moving forward on 5G once 6E products catch on. Future AX clients in IoT devices are limited to 80mhz in PS5.

This is mainly due to DFS being a compatibility issue for most routers. DFS is required for 160mhz (on 5G)

3x3 AC used to be the standard entry AC radio config.


Edit: its crazy how this is a "Deal" Walmart was selling the RAX35 AX3000 for 109.99 normal price last year. Guess covid really messed the market up.
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Quote from whatever2929 :
Question about installing this with century link gig fiber service. I have an ont installed and google is Zero help.Literally %50 say yes %50 say no to the need for a modem when an ont is present. My current set up is the centlink provided crap and it is simply plugged in thru an ethernet cable running from the ont. The wifi is pathetic with centlink device . I was getting 5 x the speed with comcast dsl at a 500 mbps subscription. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately the AX50 per its emulator page does not seem to do vlan tagging so you would not be able to use it stand alone you would have to use it with their modem. Other routers in the Tp-Link line up have vlan tagging, but I just looked at the emulator and if its up to date I dont see vlan in their respective sections. Below is the link on how to setup the router with century link modem, and if you get a router capable of vlan tagging how to do it without their modem. The steps are identical for all router manufactures, just the menus might be in a slightly different place.

https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/2721/

*EDIT looks like the AX20 has Vlan tagging so it would work stand alone with no modem from Century link. The AX50 has vlan tagging listed under specifications, but its not in the emulator in the version of firmware thats posted up there, there are newer version of firmware then the emulator available so it might be in the newer versions, so its a gamble.*
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
Unfortunately neither the AX20 or AX50 do vlan tagging so you would not be able to use it stand alone you would have to use it with their modem. Other routers in the Tp-Link line up have vlan tagging, but I just looked at the emulator and if its up to date I dont see vlan in their respective sections. Below is the link on how to setup the router with century link modem, and if you get a router capable of vlan tagging how to do it without their modem. The steps are identical for all router manufactures, just the menus might be in a slightly different place.

https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/2721/
Very helpful and thanks.

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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
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As feedback only, I looked to see if the AX 20 needed a firmware update. To my surprise, it is up to date. I didn't ask for a firmware update so it came either up-to-date right out-of- the-box, OR it did something in the background during installation and automatically downloaded and installed the update. Regardless, I am glad that it did not require any action on my part.
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It's kind of a niche feature and likely wont be marketed as heavily moving forward on 5G once 6E products catch on. .
Is 6E the same as wifi6 or AX or something else?
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Is 6E the same as wifi6 or AX or something else?
6E is 6Ghz WIFI 6.

its wifi6 on the 6 ghz spectrum. I explained most of it a few pages back.
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So ax20 is quad core and ax50 is dual core. So confused.
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6E is 6Ghz WIFI 6.

its wifi6 on the 6 ghz spectrum. I explained most of it a few pages back.
I must have missed that post. So, are the models on this thread, wifi 6 on the 5GHz spectrum so wifi 6 on 6GHz is the next big thing on wifi? If yes, when is "6 on 6" (my made up phrase) likely to become more widespread? 1 year, 2 years, or 3 years? I am trying to get a sense of how slow or fast wireless is evolving. Thanks for your insight and useful comments in this thread.
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So ax20 is quad core and ax50 is dual core. So confused.
Good question. The experts here usually explain the logic so sit tight.
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Quote from PeteyTheStriker :
For a larger house, yes mesh will be better in almost all cases if you want close to optimal speeds for all your devices. This still means you have to place your modem and first mesh node (main node) in a central point of the house though. If you daisy chain where you have a modem/node in the far left and you keep running a node after a node after a node, your final node speeds will be abysmal at the farthest right point of the house. You want to make sure when setting up the mesh, each node/unit has the least possible jumps to make to get back to the node(main node) that's tied to the modem for best speeds.

For houses under 2000-2400 sq ft a single "HIGH END" router if placed in the center or centralish location can cover and also handle all the devices with less issues. Yes on the outskirts of your signal you will get lower speeds, but in reality as long as your getting 40ish Mbps on any device there should be nothing in the online world you cant do. 40 Mbps is the requirement for 4k streaming and probably the most labor intensive besides mass downloading that someone can do, even gaming does not require faster speeds.
Thanks for that info. What if I have 2 nodes connected via ethernet but a third one on it own without ethernet? Will the ones with ethernet maintain speed ok and the one on it's own isn't too far from one of the ethernet nodes. I mainly need that one to reach my backyard, pool/sprinkler/light controller.

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Quote from whatever2929 :
Question about installing this with century link gig fiber service. I have an ont installed and google is Zero help.Literally %50 say yes %50 say no to the need for a modem when an ont is present. My current set up is the centlink provided crap and it is simply plugged in thru an ethernet cable running from the ont. The wifi is pathetic with centlink device . I was getting 5 x the speed with comcast dsl at a 500 mbps subscription. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.
Run the TP-Link in AP mode

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