I am not a professional, but I have dabbled some in digital photography and videography (currently own four DSLRs, a mirrorless, and a about a dozen lenses) - enough to recognize that there are some unhelpful questions and comments here.
FWIW, I feel the following info will be useful to those who are considering this but aren't quite sure what you are getting, whether it's better than some other specific model, etc.
- Canon RF mount is relatively new, with limited number of lenses available. But more importantly, the lenses that are available are quite pricey. What's "pricey"? Only two lenses retail at less than $500, and one of them is included with this kit.
- An EF/EF-S (Canon's long-standing lens mount) adapter I feel is almost a must-have accessory to use a much larger (and often cheaper) catalog of Canon lenses.. this is only a small investment ($99 retail for the basic model) but the caveat is that they are out of stock everywhere and you'll have to pay maybe a 50% premium on top to get one from a third-party seller.
- If you are interested in 4k video, there are better options out there. You can google for more information on that, but basically it doesn't really take advantage of the full-frame sensor. Generally speaking, Fujifilm, Panasonic ("Lumix"), and Sony are a step ahead of Canon in this area from bang-for-your-buck perspective.
- The fact that this is a mirrorless camera puts it in a different category altogether from DSLRs, most practically from size/weight perspective.
- As a side, you probably don't want a DSLR in 2020.. I mean you can argue about that, but that's not where the industry is headed.
- If you are able to discern camera makers from looking at images (using comparable models), more power to you. I certainly can't, and if you are researching on this camera after it caught your eye on slickdeals, you probably can't either. That's not to say that they all look the same - there are certainly color reproduction traits that are often associated with specific camera makers. Even then, your personal preference has much to do with what looks "better" or "worse."
- Realistically, I'd reckon chances are far greater that you'll drop and break it before you "grow out of it."
- As far as how good a deal this is, it's quite fantastic.
- I've seen jaw-dropping sample images (and videos) from this camera. Digital camera technology has come to a point where the minor details in specs are really inconsequential for most people. What should really matter here is that you're getting a full-frame mirrorless from a venerable camera maker that's capable to taking professional-level pictures at a price unthinkable just a few years ago. I can't see how you can go wrong with it.
Ok so here's the best way to sum up this camera.
It is the cheapest Full-frame, and its features and build reflect this. What you get for this price is the idea of an "entry level" full frame camera, which is great considering that a sub-$1k modern full frame mirrorless did not previously exist.
The good:
- Its full-frame, which means you can do crazy shallow DOF with the right lenses and will get 1-2 stops better performance in ISO noise than most crop sensors (depending who you are comparing it to.
- The included 24-105 F4-7.1 is a good entry level lens
- Price point
- Flip out tilt screen
The bad
- The camera is weather sealed, but the lens is not, which means this "Kit" is not weather sealed
- By far the worst Dynamic range on a modern full-frame camera, I compared this to an older M43 that I shot with on the day I was testing it, and there was almost no difference.
- The camera has no IBIS, you are relying on your lenses to have stabilization, which even some of the expensive RF glass does not have.
- The RF glass is EXPENSIVE. So if you're starting out, and being budget friendly (Which is why you would buy this in the first place) then adapting EF glass is not just an option, its your only option (outside of the 35mm RF).
TLDR:
Budget friendly camera as long as you're not planning to buy native RF lenses.
If you need the look that full-frame gives, this is your best option for a cheap price.
However, if you do not specifically need full-frame, so many other APS-C options will serve you better with better features and give you better cheap lens options. I could definitely see this being a good "entry-level" first full-frame camera, but if you're looking to "upgrade" to a full frame from your APSC, this will feel like a bit of a side-grade in many aspects.
Edit: I should add one note. If you plan to continue as a canon shooter and just want to pick this up to get into mirrorless, this will make a great back-up camera. However, the one reason I didn't mention this at first is that I like my back-up camera to share batteries with my primary, and this does not share batteries with the next upgrade which would be the EOSR.
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All the beatings from Sony is forcing Canon and Nikon the traditional camera leaders to be better. This is a decent camera until you step up to full frame.
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10-26-2020 at 07:29 AM.
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All the beatings from Sony is forcing Canon and Nikon the traditional camera leaders to be better. This is a decent camera until you step up to full frame.
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10-26-2020 at 07:29 AM.
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All the beatings from Sony is forcing Canon and Nikon the traditional camera leaders to be better. This is a decent camera until you step up to full frame.
This is a full frame camera, though arguably the worst of the last couple years. No IBIS, mediocre sensor. Better to stretch to a Nikon Z5 if you're system agnostic, or save your pennies for an R6 if you're already a Canon shooter.
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FWIW, I feel the following info will be useful to those who are considering this but aren't quite sure what you are getting, whether it's better than some other specific model, etc.
- Canon RF mount is relatively new, with limited number of lenses available. But more importantly, the lenses that are available are quite pricey. What's "pricey"? Only two lenses retail at less than $500, and one of them is included with this kit.
- An EF/EF-S (Canon's long-standing lens mount) adapter I feel is almost a must-have accessory to use a much larger (and often cheaper) catalog of Canon lenses.. this is only a small investment ($99 retail for the basic model) but the caveat is that they are out of stock everywhere and you'll have to pay maybe a 50% premium on top to get one from a third-party seller.
- If you are interested in 4k video, there are better options out there. You can google for more information on that, but basically it doesn't really take advantage of the full-frame sensor. Generally speaking, Fujifilm, Panasonic ("Lumix"), and Sony are a step ahead of Canon in this area from bang-for-your-buck perspective.
- The fact that this is a mirrorless camera puts it in a different category altogether from DSLRs, most practically from size/weight perspective.
- As a side, you probably don't want a DSLR in 2020.. I mean you can argue about that, but that's not where the industry is headed.
- If you are able to discern camera makers from looking at images (using comparable models), more power to you. I certainly can't, and if you are researching on this camera after it caught your eye on slickdeals, you probably can't either. That's not to say that they all look the same - there are certainly color reproduction traits that are often associated with specific camera makers. Even then, your personal preference has much to do with what looks "better" or "worse."
- Realistically, I'd reckon chances are far greater that you'll drop and break it before you "grow out of it."
- As far as how good a deal this is, it's quite fantastic.
- I've seen jaw-dropping sample images (and videos) from this camera. Digital camera technology has come to a point where the minor details in specs are really inconsequential for most people. What should really matter here is that you're getting a full-frame mirrorless from a venerable camera maker that's capable to taking professional-level pictures at a price unthinkable just a few years ago. I can't see how you can go wrong with it.
It is the cheapest Full-frame, and its features and build reflect this. What you get for this price is the idea of an "entry level" full frame camera, which is great considering that a sub-$1k modern full frame mirrorless did not previously exist.
The good:
- Its full-frame, which means you can do crazy shallow DOF with the right lenses and will get 1-2 stops better performance in ISO noise than most crop sensors (depending who you are comparing it to.
- The included 24-105 F4-7.1 is a good entry level lens
- Price point
- Flip out tilt screen
The bad
- The camera is weather sealed, but the lens is not, which means this "Kit" is not weather sealed
- By far the worst Dynamic range on a modern full-frame camera, I compared this to an older M43 that I shot with on the day I was testing it, and there was almost no difference.
- The camera has no IBIS, you are relying on your lenses to have stabilization, which even some of the expensive RF glass does not have.
- The RF glass is EXPENSIVE. So if you're starting out, and being budget friendly (Which is why you would buy this in the first place) then adapting EF glass is not just an option, its your only option (outside of the 35mm RF).
TLDR:
Budget friendly camera as long as you're not planning to buy native RF lenses.
If you need the look that full-frame gives, this is your best option for a cheap price.
However, if you do not specifically need full-frame, so many other APS-C options will serve you better with better features and give you better cheap lens options. I could definitely see this being a good "entry-level" first full-frame camera, but if you're looking to "upgrade" to a full frame from your APSC, this will feel like a bit of a side-grade in many aspects.
Edit: I should add one note. If you plan to continue as a canon shooter and just want to pick this up to get into mirrorless, this will make a great back-up camera. However, the one reason I didn't mention this at first is that I like my back-up camera to share batteries with my primary, and this does not share batteries with the next upgrade which would be the EOSR.
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This is a full frame camera, though arguably the worst of the last couple years. No IBIS, mediocre sensor. Better to stretch to a Nikon Z5 if you're system agnostic, or save your pennies for an R6 if you're already a Canon shooter.