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2021 Volkswagen ID.4 1st Edition Available Again $43,995 minus $7500 Federal tax credit+state/utility incentives
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$100 Fully Refundable Deposit to reserve
1st Edition was initially sold out on 1st day VW opened up availability. Now available again for anyone interested in a long range SUV which qualifies for all EV incentives.
QA Note: ID.4 1st Edition is now sold out for ordering, but the standard edition pre-order at OP's link is still available.
250 mile EPA rated range
Level 2 Autonomous Driving features (Travel Assist)
Incentives include: $7500 Federal Tax Credit
If leased, 7500 Federal tax credit applied directly to the "downpayment" of the lease.
Huge amounts of state incentives. I'm from CA so here are some examples:
CVAP (California residents- income limited) Grants are for new or used clean vehicles. You can get a grant for a hybrid vehicle, a plug-in hybrid, or an electric vehicle. Battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids can also include a home charging station with installation support, up to a $2,000 value.
See details: https://cleanvehiclegra
CA residents can qualify for $1500 clean fuel initiative (no income limit) https://cleanfuelreward
CA CVRP rebate : $2000 - 4500 (depending on income level- income cap 150k for single filers, 300k for joint filers)
Increased rebate for lower income. Check CVRP rebate for all details:
https://cleanvehiclereb
Also check with utilities for all other rebates.
1st Edition comes fully loaded the following options included:
Color choice, 20 inch Rims, Panoramic roof, IQ Drive (level 2 autonomous driving) and many other features that make this a well equipped long range EV for less than 30k in some instances (federal + state + utility rebates/incentives).
Advantages over Tesla Model Y
Heated Steering Wheel (unavailable on any Tesla)
Comes with Tow/Trailer Hitch ($1000 option on the Tesla Model Y)
Comes with more color choices ($1000-2000 on Model Y)
Comes with 20 inch Rims ($2000 option on Model Y)
Comes with Hands Free Kick to open lifgate (not available on Model Y)
Panoramic Fixed Roof 1 touch sunshade (not available on Model Y- the sunshade)
1st Edition saves $2000 over the regular ID4 order if optioned out fully with 20 inch rims and extra features such as panoramic roof, power lift-gate, adaptive headlights, 12 inch center display)
STANDARD VERSION: (use same link to reserve)
You can opt for standard version that starts at 40,000 (all rebates still apply on top of this)
Standard Version: Same range, IQ Drive included (level 2 autonomous driving), Lacks power lift gate, Lacks panoramic sunroof.
All ID4 orders also come with 3 years free Electrify America Fast charging. Excellent if you live near a Electrify America charging station or work by one.
Main competitor Model Y standard range.
Pros of Model Y: Supercharging network (not free, but more stations), rear heated seats
Cons of Model Y: Less range (244), additional colors cost $1000 ($2000 for red), No Federal Tax credit of 7500.
Both excellent options but I thought I would let people know about the ID4 seeing how popular the Model Y deal was.
Electric car future is looking bright!
https://www.vw.com/pre-order/
1st Edition was initially sold out on 1st day VW opened up availability. Now available again for anyone interested in a long range SUV which qualifies for all EV incentives.
QA Note: ID.4 1st Edition is now sold out for ordering, but the standard edition pre-order at OP's link is still available.
250 mile EPA rated range
Level 2 Autonomous Driving features (Travel Assist)
Incentives include: $7500 Federal Tax Credit
If leased, 7500 Federal tax credit applied directly to the "downpayment" of the lease.
Huge amounts of state incentives. I'm from CA so here are some examples:
CVAP (California residents- income limited) Grants are for new or used clean vehicles. You can get a grant for a hybrid vehicle, a plug-in hybrid, or an electric vehicle. Battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids can also include a home charging station with installation support, up to a $2,000 value.
See details: https://cleanvehiclegra
CA residents can qualify for $1500 clean fuel initiative (no income limit) https://cleanfuelreward
CA CVRP rebate : $2000 - 4500 (depending on income level- income cap 150k for single filers, 300k for joint filers)
Increased rebate for lower income. Check CVRP rebate for all details:
https://cleanvehiclereb
Also check with utilities for all other rebates.
1st Edition comes fully loaded the following options included:
Color choice, 20 inch Rims, Panoramic roof, IQ Drive (level 2 autonomous driving) and many other features that make this a well equipped long range EV for less than 30k in some instances (federal + state + utility rebates/incentives).
Advantages over Tesla Model Y
Heated Steering Wheel (unavailable on any Tesla)
Comes with Tow/Trailer Hitch ($1000 option on the Tesla Model Y)
Comes with more color choices ($1000-2000 on Model Y)
Comes with 20 inch Rims ($2000 option on Model Y)
Comes with Hands Free Kick to open lifgate (not available on Model Y)
Panoramic Fixed Roof 1 touch sunshade (not available on Model Y- the sunshade)
1st Edition saves $2000 over the regular ID4 order if optioned out fully with 20 inch rims and extra features such as panoramic roof, power lift-gate, adaptive headlights, 12 inch center display)
STANDARD VERSION: (use same link to reserve)
You can opt for standard version that starts at 40,000 (all rebates still apply on top of this)
Standard Version: Same range, IQ Drive included (level 2 autonomous driving), Lacks power lift gate, Lacks panoramic sunroof.
All ID4 orders also come with 3 years free Electrify America Fast charging. Excellent if you live near a Electrify America charging station or work by one.
Main competitor Model Y standard range.
Pros of Model Y: Supercharging network (not free, but more stations), rear heated seats
Cons of Model Y: Less range (244), additional colors cost $1000 ($2000 for red), No Federal Tax credit of 7500.
Both excellent options but I thought I would let people know about the ID4 seeing how popular the Model Y deal was.
Electric car future is looking bright!
https://www.vw.com/pre-order/
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The VW's would not fall in either of the 2 new categories.
The EV tax credit will be in the reconciliation infrastructure bill, which they can pass right now with just 50 democratic votes in the senate (and will- though they will continue to play kabuki theater pretending the GOP is interested in compromise for another few weeks at least)
That doesn't mean that exact version will be the final one (the union requirement in particular will be tough to get even all the democrats to go for) but I'd expect at least GM and Tesla to regain eligibility for the current $7500- possibly more if the US-built thing stays in there... (which VW would not be eligible for now, but might be once a US plant gets going).
Are you asking about the F150 or VW?
The F150 reservation isn't even a reservation. The fine print explicitly says it doesn't hold any place in line, does not guarantee any price, nor any priority on purchase.
It's a $100 interest-free loan to Ford, and you get nothing in return except opting in to Ford marketing spam.
The VW reservation, like Teslas, does secure an actual place in line- though no final specs or prices are guaranteed.
For both VW and Ford, the dealers are independently owned and can mark up prices above MSRP too.
See above, they already have the votes they need to pass it.
That doesn't mean that exact version will be the final one (the union requirement in particular will be tough to get even all the democrats to go for) but I'd expect at least GM and Tesla to regain eligibility for the current $7500- possibly more if the US-built thing stays in there... (which VW would not be eligible for now, but might be once a US plant gets going).
FWIW, that price is the commercial-fleet version with the 230 mile battery. The consumer version is gonna start in the 50-60k range, and another 10k if you want the 300 mile range battery added... pricing fully loaded will hit about $90,000.
Are you asking about the F150 or VW?
The F150 reservation isn't even a reservation. The fine print explicitly says it doesn't hold any place in line, does not guarantee any price, nor any priority on purchase.
It's a $100 interest-free loan to Ford, and you get nothing in return except opting in to Ford marketing spam.
The VW reservation, like Teslas, does secure an actual place in line- though no final specs or prices are guaranteed.
For both VW and Ford, the dealers are independently owned and can mark up prices above MSRP too.
I haven't read anywhere that this would be in the tax reconciliation. The current plan as is keeps getting downgraded to "compromise." I hope you're right, but it sounds very unlikely this would be tagged on the already expensive package
My advice to those looking to go EV:
1. If you currently don't have a house/apt with your own garage, then don't get an EV. It's too much of a hassle if you can't charge it every night.
2. If you don't have a second ICE car in the household that you can use for road trips, then don't get an EV, if you plan on using it for road trips. It's not just about getting there. What are you going to do when you get there? Too many things you will have to plan for, such as having a charging port at your destination's accommodation. Just not worth it.
First of all, ANYONE can get a plug in hybrid with gas back up no matter what your living situation. I have one and never have to worry about range. I even know people that have plug in hybrid electric cars and never charge it. They just use it like a gas car. The rebates make them a cheaper option than any other option available. In many cases, they are even cheaper than buying a used civic. You have to do a little homework, but sometimes it's buying, sometimes it's leasing that makes them almost free counting the gas savings. Especially in California, there are plenty of places to charge for free.
Our household is completely electric and we don't have problems with road trips. Almost all destinations have chargers. Especially with Tesla, you have a supercharger network that has you covered for road trips. And charging port? Are you serious? All destinations have level 2 that are standard for all EVs (and Tesla has an included adapter which makes it standard essentially)
We have 2 Teslas. One gets the rated range and one is well below. Just because your Tesla doesn't get the rates range, it doesn't mean all Tesla or EV don't as well. If you're not properly utilizing your charge capacity, you can't apply that to others as well. Most people need to charge once a week max. You're making it seem like you need to charge 10 hours every night, which is not true. The higher the range, the less often you have to charge it, so range is definitely not an overblown statistic.
Especially in California, there's absolutely no reason to buy anything other than an EV, either with or without gas back up, depending on your situation. There are so much more benefits than downside. Carpool sticker, cheaper, more advanced, better residuals, it's the future, etc.
First of all, ANYONE can get a plug in hybrid with gas back up no matter what your living situation. I have one and never have to worry about range. I even know people that have plug in hybrid electric cars and never charge it. They just use it like a gas car. The rebates make them a cheaper option than any other option available. In many cases, they are even cheaper than buying a used civic. You have to do a little homework, but sometimes it's buying, sometimes it's leasing that makes them almost free counting the gas savings. Especially in California, there are plenty of places to charge for free.
Our household is completely electric and we don't have problems with road trips. Almost all destinations have chargers. Especially with Tesla, you have a supercharger network that has you covered for road trips. And charging port? Are you serious? All destinations have level 2 that are standard for all EVs (and Tesla has an included adapter which makes it standard essentially)
We have 2 Teslas. One gets the rated range and one is well below. Just because your Tesla doesn't get the rates range, it doesn't mean all Tesla or EV don't as well. If you're not properly utilizing your charge capacity, you can't apply that to others as well. Most people need to charge once a week max. You're making it seem like you need to charge 10 hours every night, which is not true. The higher the range, the less often you have to charge it, so range is definitely not an overblown statistic.
Especially in California, there's absolutely no reason to buy anything other than an EV, either with or without gas back up, depending on your situation. There are so much more benefits than downside. Carpool sticker, cheaper, more advanced, better residuals, it's the future, etc.
First, I NEVER said anything about plug in hybrid. That's a completely different beast. This VW is not a PHEV neither are any of the Teslas we have been discussing, so why bring up PHEV???
As for travel, what I mean is that, you have to plan where you stay. Are you saying EVERY hotel/motel in California has 5-10 spaces with charging ports? If it's 1-3 spots, you run the risk of not getting one of those spots which means you are SOL. That means you will now have to spend 20-30 minutes finding a place to charge your car vs 5 minutes at a gas station. It's just a thing to have to think about, plan on, and eventually stress about. Not something I want to do when i am on vacation. But then again, just because I am on SD doesn't mean I want to pinch every penny even at the cost of enjoying my precious vacation time. All I am saying is that people tend to only think about gettying their EV to their destination, they don't think about what they are going to do when they get there. Every time I have been to a hotel with charging station for EV, they have been occupied. The airport parking lot recently added spots for free EV charging. i was so excited we starting taking the Tesla to the airport. Of the 6 trips we have done, i have only been able to nab an EV spot once, at that was during covid when there was less airport travel. If it works for you, great, you do you. If i have the luxury of having a 2nd or 3rd car in the household be gas, I will choose that option.
As for range, you again didn't understand the point I am trying to make. So you charge your car once every 7-10 days and i charge mine once every 1-3 days? In the end, who cares? Does it really matter (if we are not talking about road trips, see above)? If I charge my car every day and never come close to running out of battery, who cares if the range is 200 or 400? It takes less than 10 seconds a day to plug it in. Do you not charge your phone every day?
As for getting the stated range on a Tesla, I was basing my answer on everything i have read on the internet, not just my own experience. So maybe i shouldn't have said NEVER. But every experience I have read on the internet has pretty much said the same thing. Tesla range are overinflated. What year and model do you have and what range are you getting? Like I said, my Model S range is supposed to be 270. If I let it charge to max, it will go to about 235. If I tell it to stop at about 80-90% like Tesla recommends for the sake of battery health, I get about 208-211. Most other car companies already limit the battery charge capacity, so you don't really need to decrease it further. I have seen several road tests on Porsches that say they are getting easily over 300 when EPA rates them at around 200-210.
Granted, every region/state EV situation is different. Here in Texas, we pay half of what you do for gas than in Cali. But we also pay about half in electricty. And we have much fewer EV cars on the road (but it's still alot in major metro areas).
A new EV credit is part of the Infrastructure plan Biden laid out, that was pretty widely reported-
https://www.ratchetandw
Which the democrats will end up passing via reconciliation as soon as they think they've wasted enough time letting the republicans pretend they want to compromise.
That reconciliation was likely to be used for the infrastructure bill has been pretty widely reported too-
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/b...-june.html
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/b...d=76900258
We don't know what the final specifics will be... (ie if it'll include things like the extra money for US made cars, or extra money for union-built ones... or if it will be refundable (the current one is not) or if it'll be POS (point of sale- current one is not... or if it'll be retroactive in any way).
But that there'll be one in the infrastructure package, and it'll be passed likely with 0 GOP votes, is moderately clear at this point.
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It hadn't been when I wrote that comment. If something has changed, it would be great. Would appreciate if you have a link?
https://www.virginiamer
I am thinking of reserving this car. Unfortunately 1st edition is no longer available, so may have to pay more now
I am thinking of reserving this car. Unfortunately 1st edition is no longer available, so may have to pay more now
Thanks, this seems to start from the next year and yet unfunded. Nothing to help the middle class. The state is good for big business and recently tackling various human rights, but the middle class has gotten somehow sidelined. As for the VW, I think you haven't missed much, because at approximately the same price the news ones will be AWD vs RWD in the first edition. Also check Hyundai Ionic 5, which looks good on paper.
I am thinking of reserving this car. Unfortunately 1st edition is no longer available, so may have to pay more now
Try searching at your nearby dealerships. My friend was able to find one 2 weeks ago even though it said "sold out" on the corporate website. He paid $48k out the door, not including federal rebate.
I am late to party here, booked FE in 2020 and picked around 2 months ago, Drove 2k miles already...Nice EV SUV, better bang for bucks. Sold my piece of shit Model 3 problems and problems and road noise. I think most Asians have inferiority complex and buy expensive items for show off so they buy Teslas.
NJ $5K incentive started again I heard,
Between let me bring some difference between Y and ID4
ID4
Wireless Carplay/ Andriod Auto (you can have waze running on ID4 to see cops and navigate traffic you)
ID light to guide directions and info
High ground clearance so dont have to cry after rubbing your Y to curb
Touchless truck
massaging seats
German tight and quiet ride
No paint or panel issue like Y
Real blind spot monitor
Tested rain sensing wiper (My Model 3 wiper would even run in garage or in sun)
Any color no charge ( Except Red $395)
Interior Gray or black Perforated leather seats and steering wheel no charge
Turn radius is best in industry ( Forget Y or 3)
Dual display one above steering wheel ( Tesla missing this, its made for self drive so no need to check speed by driver but wait 2018 Model 3 is becoming obsolete now and I am still the driver
Vw uses 2cycle epa rating and Tesla 5Cycle jacking miles but you never get it in tesla
Electrify America are currently 2/3rd of Tesla super charger in US and will be same by year end as per CEO of EA (DC fast 350KV charging ) VW new update will charge id at 175KW peak rate instead current 128/130
Full roof glass electric sunshade is real deal in hot sun states (Missing in Y people buying sticking hanging protection)
Emergency door release on all doors (Missing in Y and 3 in rear doors- you could die in accident if electronics fail and you cannot get out in rear) Electronic and manual on same latch
Simple lighted door handles (Tesla is for personal use only as new person cannot open door from inside or outside. We as chaffuer has to get out and open sometimes for new person)
Vw dealers everywhere to get service ( Tesla limited 1-2 service center for multiple states)
Price is $36500 after Fed credit for my FE including tow, color, 20inch wheel, light interior etc ( model Y will be $54k plus $1000 color plus $1000 towing plus $1500 tires plus $3k interior color total $60500 for current available model) $24K less no brainer
Motor design as shown by sandy munro is better than Tesla in same video
Real 260miles in real world no fake hype like Tesla (Challenge anyone who drive in real world can get 326 miles rated for LR model Y)
Mood lightning with 30 colors
Interior is like or better than model X
Biodefense Air system VW call it Aircare (Missing in Y or 3)
3 yrs free charging fast 350KW DC at EA
Now Tesla Y
Phone App is excellent (ID4 just windows 3.11)
Level 2 assist far superior than ID4
Charging network is currently better than EA
softpaint, Cheap interior, Soy wiring access for rats (Rats are eating in NYC), customer service sucks, Hype of FSD from 2016 (Level 5) I paid $7k useless fraud (need class action to recover)
FSD errors use to make my heart racing thereby reducing my life expectancy (No more)
Now Tesla stockholders will kill me here. just wait and watch
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