I bought and installed 1000' of monoprice cat6 cable in my new home during framing. 6 months later I got a recall notice that the jackets on the cable were not fire rated even though they were marked UL/CL2 or whatever. They are telling me they will pay to have the cable replaced in the walls and have sent new cable, but the contractor they have offered said they can't do the job because the cable was stapled to the studs and they can't do drywall work. So monoprice told me to find someone else on my own to replace the cable and rip up my walls, and rip up a stone fireplace for one of the runs. It has been a nightmare.
Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
no wonder monoprice is in todays shape. i think they spent all their earnings in that year to pay for your house renovation.
So I get you're upset about the situation, but you're giving them crap for trying to make it right? I can't think of many companies that would even offer this level of service to make things proper again.
You gotta give them some credit since most modern companies would leave you high and dry and make you fight to make things right. They'd force your to pursue legal paths which are an absolute nightmare and take a long time to resolve.
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My concern is if there were ever a fire in the house, would my insurance blame me for not having this cable replaced?
Fire rated doesn't mean the cable is non-fire causing, all it means is that the exterior coat is fire resistant and less toxic fumes if it does burn. It's not fire proof either.
No idea why your insurance would hold you accountable. If that's the case, anything flammable inside your home could be blamed on you.
Just for future reference, plenum rated cable is never cheap. You will probably end up spending the same amount, even after they rip up your walls- assuming the cable is 'free'.
Monoprice has agreed to pay for the new cable as well as for the contractor to replace it (materials and labor). On paper it's a good faith action from them. In reality it's just a huge headache.
I paid $50/run to have the builder install it not including the cable cost. So I'm in close to a grand and now have to have my brand new house ripped up, hoping the contractor will do a good job in the repairs for drywall pitching and painting. But there's dust, debris, noise, inconvenience, etc. That part of it is not being covered.
Highly possible. I put away the box in my attic. It is solid wire and it does look copper, I can't be sure 100% pure cooper.
The fun was to do crossed wires and I made my shares of mistakes. Definitely a cable tester is a must.
edit: for wall jacks, I recommend the keystone punch-down jacks.
I agree. The punch downs work best for me too.
I've tried all the other ones and keep coming back to punch down.
I use a cheapy chinese tester that shows the wires are wired correctly. Doesn't show how much bandwidth but I run some speedtests and it usually works great.
I bought and installed 1000' of monoprice cat6 cable in my new home during framing. 6 months later I got a recall notice that the jackets on the cable were not fire rated even though they were marked UL/CL2 or whatever. They are telling me they will pay to have the cable replaced in the walls and have sent new cable, but the contractor they have offered said they can't do the job because the cable was stapled to the studs and they can't do drywall work. So monoprice told me to find someone else on my own to replace the cable and rip up my walls, and rip up a stone fireplace for one of the runs. It has been a nightmare.
Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
So I get you're upset about the situation, but you're giving them crap for trying to make it right? I can't think of many companies that would even offer this level of service to make things proper again.
You gotta give them some credit since most modern companies would leave you high and dry and make you fight to make things right. They'd force your to pursue legal paths which are an absolute nightmare and take a long time to resolve.
Just to be clear, product page specifically says it is not CCA "Monoprice Ethernet cables are made of 100% pure bare copper wire, as opposed to copper clad aluminum (CCA) wire". I still have some laying around from my house build, terminated 100+ ends and as far as I can tell it's copper all the way through. I hate stranded and CCA cable and only use those for short runs, not in-wall.
I bought and installed 1000' of monoprice cat6 cable in my new home during framing. 6 months later I got a recall notice that the jackets on the cable were not fire rated even though they were marked UL/CL2 or whatever. They are telling me they will pay to have the cable replaced in the walls and have sent new cable, but the contractor they have offered said they can't do the job because the cable was stapled to the studs and they can't do drywall work. So monoprice told me to find someone else on my own to replace the cable and rip up my walls, and rip up a stone fireplace for one of the runs. It has been a nightmare.
Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
When was this? Is there a way to tell if a box has issues? I have a 1000' box I haven't opened yet
This is good stuff. I installed over 3k foot of this stuff when building my house a few years ago. Use it for lots of functions: data (obviously), security cameras, POE for mounted smart home tablets, phone, Video and even USB so I can control my media server in my basement from the living room. CAT6 is useful for many things. Run this to every room in your house (several drops each).
So I get you're upset about the situation, but you're giving them crap for trying to make it right? I can't think of many companies that would even offer this level of service to make things proper again.
You gotta give them some credit since most modern companies would leave you high and dry and make you fight to make things right. They'd force your to pursue legal paths which are an absolute nightmare and take a long time to resolve.
They probably figure it's cheaper to offer it upfront and only a fraction actually taking them up on it, than pay that plus a whole lot more for a class action suit? Just a guess, I'm no legal expert...
That being said, I've used a similar cable from them in my home as well, but I guess 10 years ago I did pay a whole lot less (yes, for pure copper). $90 sounds like a lot, but I guess with inflation it's probably pretty good deal now. I'm just glad I didn't get such a recall notice...
Product page specifically says it is not CCA "Monoprice Ethernet cables are made of 100% pure bare copper wire, as opposed to copper clad aluminum (CCA) wire". I still have some laying around from my house build, terminated 100+ ends and as far as I can tell it's copper all the way through. I hate stranded and CCA cable and only use those for short runs, not in-wall.
You read his comment out of context; he was responding to another poster claiming to have gotten similar cable for $50>
If I want this to be installed in an office but needs wire runs across the ceiling, CMR isn't enough right? I believe I need plenum but correct me if I am misunderstanding this.
When was this? Is there a way to tell if a box has issues? I have a 1000' box I haven't opened yet
Check this out buddy...
UL JACKET MARKINGS FOR AFFECTED CABLES:
(UL) E467139 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E333346 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E339722 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
If the cables do not bear one of the above cable jacket markings, they are not part of the voluntary recall. Likewise, if the cables, as installed, are less than 50 ft. in length. enter the building from the outside and terminate in an enclosure or listed primary protector, and are not installed inside risers, ducts, plenums and other space used for environmental air, removal is not required.
(UL) E467139 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E333346 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E339722 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
If the cables do not bear one of the above cable jacket markings, they are not part of the voluntary recall. Likewise, if the cables, as installed, are less than 50 ft. in length. enter the building from the outside and terminate in an enclosure or listed primary protector, and are not installed inside risers, ducts, plenums and other space used for environmental air, removal is not required.
what kind of rj connectors did you choose? I had some that came with the insert and those were a pain to use.
I used these for my monoprice cable. Be warned they are good quality but the little pieces of copper that pierce the cable can fall out in transit. In my box of 50, maybe 6 or 7 were missing one of the connectors. Still recommend them as they fit monoprice larger gauge cable and if you do it right, they work flawlessly. Takes a little getting used to to feed them through but I got a solid connector everytime.
I bought and installed 1000' of monoprice cat6 cable in my new home during framing. 6 months later I got a recall notice that the jackets on the cable were not fire rated even though they were marked UL/CL2 or whatever. They are telling me they will pay to have the cable replaced in the walls and have sent new cable, but the contractor they have offered said they can't do the job because the cable was stapled to the studs and they can't do drywall work. So monoprice told me to find someone else on my own to replace the cable and rip up my walls, and rip up a stone fireplace for one of the runs. It has been a nightmare.
Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
I am literally in the same boat. Thankfully I only used monoprice for 4 POE cameras still working on figuring out the best way to fix it.
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Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
You gotta give them some credit since most modern companies would leave you high and dry and make you fight to make things right. They'd force your to pursue legal paths which are an absolute nightmare and take a long time to resolve.
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No idea why your insurance would hold you accountable. If that's the case, anything flammable inside your home could be blamed on you.
Monoprice has agreed to pay for the new cable as well as for the contractor to replace it (materials and labor). On paper it's a good faith action from them. In reality it's just a huge headache.
I paid $50/run to have the builder install it not including the cable cost. So I'm in close to a grand and now have to have my brand new house ripped up, hoping the contractor will do a good job in the repairs for drywall pitching and painting. But there's dust, debris, noise, inconvenience, etc. That part of it is not being covered.
The fun was to do crossed wires and I made my shares of mistakes. Definitely a cable tester is a must.
edit: for wall jacks, I recommend the keystone punch-down jacks.
I've tried all the other ones and keep coming back to punch down.
I use a cheapy chinese tester that shows the wires are wired correctly. Doesn't show how much bandwidth but I run some speedtests and it usually works great.
Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
So I get you're upset about the situation, but you're giving them crap for trying to make it right? I can't think of many companies that would even offer this level of service to make things proper again.
You gotta give them some credit since most modern companies would leave you high and dry and make you fight to make things right. They'd force your to pursue legal paths which are an absolute nightmare and take a long time to resolve.
Edit - Added clarification (thanks cj0r)
Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.
When was this? Is there a way to tell if a box has issues? I have a 1000' box I haven't opened yet
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You gotta give them some credit since most modern companies would leave you high and dry and make you fight to make things right. They'd force your to pursue legal paths which are an absolute nightmare and take a long time to resolve.
That being said, I've used a similar cable from them in my home as well, but I guess 10 years ago I did pay a whole lot less (yes, for pure copper). $90 sounds like a lot, but I guess with inflation it's probably pretty good deal now. I'm just glad I didn't get such a recall notice...
You read his comment out of context; he was responding to another poster claiming to have gotten similar cable for $50>
Check this out buddy...
UL JACKET MARKINGS FOR AFFECTED CABLES:
(UL) E467139 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E333346 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E339722 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
If the cables do not bear one of the above cable jacket markings, they are not part of the voluntary recall. Likewise, if the cables, as installed, are less than 50 ft. in length. enter the building from the outside and terminate in an enclosure or listed primary protector, and are not installed inside risers, ducts, plenums and other space used for environmental air, removal is not required.
https://mpcmrrecall.com
UL JACKET MARKINGS FOR AFFECTED CABLES:
(UL) E467139 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E333346 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
(UL) E339722 23AWGX4P CMR CAT6 UTP RoHS Compliance XXXXFT.
If the cables do not bear one of the above cable jacket markings, they are not part of the voluntary recall. Likewise, if the cables, as installed, are less than 50 ft. in length. enter the building from the outside and terminate in an enclosure or listed primary protector, and are not installed inside risers, ducts, plenums and other space used for environmental air, removal is not required.
https://mpcmrrecall.com
I'm clear, thanks and repped!
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Still not sure I will ever buy monoprice cable again for in wall application.