What's the deal here with this mobo? It has triple outputs for APU, VGA, HDMI & DVI but says it "* Not compatible with AMD Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G."
That means it can only use those outputs with the 2200G & 2400G since AMD has not seen fit to update its retail APU line up in a year and a half or so. Those parts are hard to find and wildly expensive, a 2400G is $325 on Amazon. Seems like Intel is the way to go if you are not a gamer these days.
Personally after owning a few ASRock motherboards and small form factor ASRock computers, they all failed inside of 2 years and the customer support hung up on me after trying to tell me I was wrong about their unit when it specifically states on their website what the components are. ASRock doesn't know what they are selling and certainly don't care about the end user. I'll never buy anything ASRock ever again.
What's the deal here with this mobo? It has triple outputs for APU, VGA, HDMI & DVI but says it "* Not compatible with AMD Ryzen 5 3400G and Ryzen 3 3200G."
That means it can only use those outputs with the 2200G & 2400G since AMD has not seen fit to update its retail APU line up in a year and a half or so. Those parts are hard to find and wildly expensive, a 2400G is $325 on Amazon. Seems like Intel is the way to go if you are not a gamer these days.
Officially A520 and B550 boards only support Zen 2 and Zen 3 processors. The 2200G and 2400G are Zen APUs while the 3200G and 3400G are Zen+ APUs.
There are Zen 2 4xxxG APUs available on the gray market from a number of east Asian sources, but they are overpriced and warranty support is probably non-existent. Zen 3 5xxxG APUs might be hitting the market in a few months, but who knows if AMD is going to go the OEM-only route like they did with their Zen 2 APUs.
/some B550 boards do unofficially support Zen+ processors, but rumor has it that official support was omitted so that board manufacturers could go with cheaper firmware chips with a lower capacity
Interesting. That being the case, it is strange that AsRock didn't explicitly exclude support for all other Zen & Zen+ chips. What it said in the Neweggage was "Supports 3rd Gen AMD AM4 Ryzen / future AMD Ryzen Processors *" It should have been much more explicit, saying it does not support 1st & 2nd Gen Zens, although the support page[asrock.com] makes it clear that that is the case. It also said " BIOS update might require for AMD Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 series CPU."
However the support page claims the board supports a range of APUs;
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G(100-000000145) 65W Renoir 3.6GHz 4MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE(100-000000152) 35W Renoir 3.1GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G(100-000000143) 65W Renoir 3.7GHz 3MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE(100-000000153) 35W Renoir 3.3GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G(100-000000148) 65W Renoir 3.8GHz 2MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE(100-000000154) 35W Renoir 3.5GHz A1 All
Kind of a pity that none of those processors have ever been released to anyone but OEMs in the US, though as GregB76 notes, you can theoretically order some of them from China if you don't mind the price, lack of support, and longish shipping times.
Personally after owning a few ASRock motherboards and small form factor ASRock computers, they all failed inside of 2 years and the customer support hung up on me after trying to tell me I was wrong about their unit when it specifically states on their website what the components are. ASRock doesn't know what they are selling and certainly don't care about the end user. I'll never buy anything ASRock ever again.
Not much of a data point, but the ASRock motherboard in my Linux desktop still works 10 years later. But, I have no idea how customer service would've played out if any early problems had developed.
Interesting. That being the case, it is strange that AsRock didn't explicitly exclude support for all other Zen & Zen+ chips. What it said in the Neweggage was "Supports 3rd Gen AMD AM4 Ryzen / future AMD Ryzen Processors *" It should have been much more explicit, saying it does not support 1st & 2nd Gen Zens, although the support page[asrock.com] makes it clear that that is the case. It also said " BIOS update might require for AMD Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 series CPU."
However the support page claims the board supports a range of APUs;
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G(100-000000145) 65W Renoir 3.6GHz 4MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE(100-000000152) 35W Renoir 3.1GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G(100-000000143) 65W Renoir 3.7GHz 3MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE(100-000000153) 35W Renoir 3.3GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G(100-000000148) 65W Renoir 3.8GHz 2MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE(100-000000154) 35W Renoir 3.5GHz A1 All
Kind of a pity that none of those processors have ever been released to anyone but OEMs in the US, though as GregB76 notes, you can theoretically order some of them from China if you don't mind the price, lack of support, and longish shipping times.
AMD just announced that Zen 3 APUs will be available through retail channels later this year.
I've owned many ASRock boards over the years, no problems with any of them. They usually have the best bang for the buck. This is the lowest price I've seen for a B550 board. I use the B450 version of this board with a 1600AF no problems.
Personally after owning a few ASRock motherboards and small form factor ASRock computers, they all failed inside of 2 years and the customer support hung up on me after trying to tell me I was wrong about their unit when it specifically states on their website what the components are. ASRock doesn't know what they are selling and certainly don't care about the end user. I'll never buy anything ASRock ever again.
I have the ASRock N3700-ITX running 24/7 as HTPC/Torrent/File Servers for 4+ years.
The only issue is lack of firmware updates but considering the Pentium N3700 is not a popular platform, might be that's why.
So, I think it's more like motherboard by motherboard in quality.
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That means it can only use those outputs with the 2200G & 2400G since AMD has not seen fit to update its retail APU line up in a year and a half or so. Those parts are hard to find and wildly expensive, a 2400G is $325 on Amazon. Seems like Intel is the way to go if you are not a gamer these days.
That means it can only use those outputs with the 2200G & 2400G since AMD has not seen fit to update its retail APU line up in a year and a half or so. Those parts are hard to find and wildly expensive, a 2400G is $325 on Amazon. Seems like Intel is the way to go if you are not a gamer these days.
There are Zen 2 4xxxG APUs available on the gray market from a number of east Asian sources, but they are overpriced and warranty support is probably non-existent. Zen 3 5xxxG APUs might be hitting the market in a few months, but who knows if AMD is going to go the OEM-only route like they did with their Zen 2 APUs.
/some B550 boards do unofficially support Zen+ processors, but rumor has it that official support was omitted so that board manufacturers could go with cheaper firmware chips with a lower capacity
However the support page claims the board supports a range of APUs;
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G(100-000000145) 65W Renoir 3.6GHz 4MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE(100-000000152) 35W Renoir 3.1GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G(100-000000143) 65W Renoir 3.7GHz 3MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE(100-000000153) 35W Renoir 3.3GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G(100-000000148) 65W Renoir 3.8GHz 2MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE(100-000000154) 35W Renoir 3.5GHz A1 All
Kind of a pity that none of those processors have ever been released to anyone but OEMs in the US, though as GregB76 notes, you can theoretically order some of them from China if you don't mind the price, lack of support, and longish shipping times.
However the support page claims the board supports a range of APUs;
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G(100-000000145) 65W Renoir 3.6GHz 4MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE(100-000000152) 35W Renoir 3.1GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G(100-000000143) 65W Renoir 3.7GHz 3MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE(100-000000153) 35W Renoir 3.3GHz A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350G(100-000000148) 65W Renoir 3.8GHz 2MB A1 All
AM4 Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE(100-000000154) 35W Renoir 3.5GHz A1 All
Kind of a pity that none of those processors have ever been released to anyone but OEMs in the US, though as GregB76 notes, you can theoretically order some of them from China if you don't mind the price, lack of support, and longish shipping times.
article on Anandtech [anandtech.com]
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The only issue is lack of firmware updates but considering the Pentium N3700 is not a popular platform, might be that's why.
So, I think it's more like motherboard by motherboard in quality.