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harrekki
05-04-2021 at 05:02 PM.
05-04-2021 at 05:02 PM.
Costco has them $339, with router and 3 access points.
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bootz52
05-04-2021 at 05:10 PM.
05-04-2021 at 05:10 PM.
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Costco has them $339, with router and 3 access points.
This is a much better deal. You get three routers, instead of 1 router and two APs.
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05-04-2021 at 05:17 PM.
05-04-2021 at 05:17 PM.
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This is a much better deal. You get three routers, instead of 1 router and two APs.

Only if you're going to hardwire the routers, and then, wtf you buying google mesh? Much better, cost effective options if you're going to run wire through the house 🤣🤣
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05-04-2021 at 05:21 PM.
05-04-2021 at 05:21 PM.
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Only if you're going to hardwire the routers, and then, wtf you buying google mesh? Much better, cost effective options if you're going to run wire through the house
How does hard wiring google router work?
Modem -> Google router ----wirelessly -----Google router2, 3 -----wire to devices/switch??
This to me is still wifi since devices/switch is hardwired to Google router2,3 but is wireless to Google router 1.
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05-04-2021 at 05:26 PM.
05-04-2021 at 05:26 PM.
Quote from pun :
How does hard wiring google router work?
Modem -> Google router ----wirelessly -----Google router2, 3 -----wire to devices/switch??
This to me is still wifi since devices/switch is hardwired to Google router2,3 but is wireless to Google router 1.

If you aren't hard wiring the other routers, they are access points. The wifi won't be noticably faster, and you get an added port for a switch? How many wired devices you got? Lol.

Unless I missed it, this doesn't mention wifi 6, meaning the ubiquity lite deal on here is better use of your money.
Buy 2 of those, covers more space than these do, and you have money left over for a decent poe switch.

This looks like a case of "good on paper, bad in practice and execution"

I may be missing something. and I even run google nest wifi/ google wifi APs setup in my own home.
but my network installer experience and reading of the numbers just doesn't add up here.
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05-04-2021 at 05:50 PM.
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If you aren't hard wiring the other routers, they are access points. The wifi won't be noticably faster, and you get an added port for a switch? How many wired devices you got? Lol.

Unless I missed it, this doesn't mention wifi 6, meaning the ubiquity lite deal on here is better use of your money.
Buy 2 of those, covers more space than these do, and you have money left over for a decent poe switch.

This looks like a case of "good on paper, bad in practice and execution"

I may be missing something. and I even run google nest wifi/ google wifi APs setup in my own home.
but my network installer experience and reading of the numbers just doesn't add up here.
So how does hard wiring google router works? How is it better than Google AP??
Do you Modem ---> Google Router --->Switch------> Google Router2,3,4,5? Since they are wired Google Router, hoping it provides better coverage? I still have hard time understanding how Google router is better than google AP. having a extra port for wire device is pointless....Xbox/PS5, printer, computer, TV, etc, you would need a switch not 1 port anyway.
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05-04-2021 at 05:57 PM.
05-04-2021 at 05:57 PM.
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So how does hard wiring google router works? How is it better than Google AP??
Do you Modem ---> Google Router --->Switch------> Google Router2,3,4,5? Since they are wired Google Router, hoping it provides better coverage? I still have hard time understanding how Google router is better than google AP. having a extra port for wire device is pointless....Xbox/PS5, printer, computer, TV, etc, you would need a switch not 1 port anyway.

Back hauling the routers means you have wires running between all the routers, because hardwire speeds are faster than wireless, even mesh.
If you're wiring all the routers, then only devices are wireless.
Google mesh is set up to run as a wireless mesh. Meaning just one router is wired to the isp hardware (ONT for cable internet), and the rest work together to move data between each other, wirelessly.

For this to be "better", you'd have to have wires running from each router, back to a switch, which is attached to the main router, which is attached to the ONT.
Most people don't want to/ aren't able to run ethernet cables though their house.
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05-04-2021 at 06:02 PM.
05-04-2021 at 06:02 PM.
Quote from pun :
So how does hard wiring google router works? How is it better than Google AP??
Do you Modem ---> Google Router --->Switch------> Google Router2,3,4,5? Since they are wired Google Router, hoping it provides better coverage? I still have hard time understanding how Google router is better than google AP. having a extra port for wire device is pointless....Xbox/PS5, printer, computer, TV, etc, you would need a switch not 1 port anyway.

It's better on paper because the router has an AC2200 antenna, the AP has AC1200 antenna. But 3 AC2200 devices is unlikely to provide greater speed/ range than 1 AC2200 + 3 AC1200 devices. At least, I haven't seen much practical evidence as such.

If that's true, then it's only better if you run cables through the house.

Network engineers can correct or confirm, I'm just a network/ PC consultant and part time installer.
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05-04-2021 at 06:12 PM.
05-04-2021 at 06:12 PM.
These do not have Wifi 6 for those that care... for residential use, as in single family house, there is no need to backhaul.

That being said, if its easy to run the wires, why not. Wires > Wireless (in terms of reliability)_
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05-04-2021 at 06:18 PM.
05-04-2021 at 06:18 PM.
Quote from harrekki :
Back hauling the routers means you have wires running between all the routers, because hardwire speeds are faster than wireless, even mesh.
If you're wiring all the routers, then only devices are wireless.
Google mesh is set up to run as a wireless mesh. Meaning just one router is wired to the isp hardware (ONT for cable internet), and the rest work together to move data between each other, wirelessly.

For this to be "better", you'd have to have wires running from each router, back to a switch, which is attached to the main router, which is attached to the ONT.
Most people don't want to/ aren't able to run ethernet cables though their house.
Thanks for your reply.
I currently have ONT ----> Router ------>Google Router 1, 2 (both wired from Main router).
This seems to be a wrong setup according to Google? Seems to be a conflict due to DHCP being not disabled?
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05-04-2021 at 06:24 PM.
05-04-2021 at 06:24 PM.
Quote from pun :
Thanks for your reply.
I currently have ONT ----> Router ------>Google Router 1, 2 (both wired from Main router).
This seems to be a wrong setup according to Google? Seems to be a conflict due to DHCP being not disabled?

The system is setup for wireless mesh between wireless APs to the router, with multiple AP jumps possible back to the router, to increase linear range.

Now, I have: ONT --> nest router--> google wifi AP --> Switch for my upstairs game room. But the other nest APs and google wifi APs (5 total) are all wireless mesh, and works like a charm.

So wiring any APs/ routers can be beneficial. But people looking at wireless mesh systems are not running ethernet cables anywhere, and if I remember, the setup information is for fully wireless mesh.

edit: corrected either get to ethernet. thought about keeping it tho. 🤣🤣
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05-04-2021 at 06:45 PM.
05-04-2021 at 06:45 PM.
Quote from harrekki :
Only if you're going to hardwire the routers, and then, wtf you buying google mesh? Much better, cost effective options if you're going to run wire through the house 🤣🤣
I would much rather have 3 x ac2200 4x4 mu-mimo than 3 x ac1200 2x2 and 1 x ac2200 4x4. It is much more future proof, they cover the same square footage and the aggregate bandwidth is greater. It also allow for lower latency when you plug directly into one of the mesh routers. But what do I know.
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05-04-2021 at 06:50 PM.
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I would much rather have 3 x ac2200 4x4 mu-mimo than 3 x ac1200 2x2 and 1 x ac2200 4x4. It is much more future proof, they cover the same square footage and the aggregate bandwidth is greater. It also allow for lower latency when you plug directly into one of the mesh routers. But what do I know.

These aren't future proof to the slightest. Neither is Wifi 6, this is the start of these routers slide into obsolescence. This is a strong choice for right now, either is. But neither is "future proof" in a wifi 6 generation that's already started hardware and device adaptation.
Again, I think the 3x 2200 vs 3x 1200 + 2200 is a paper advantage, and a preference choice. I haven't seen practical research on application of the 2 options.
I'd honestly love to see it. I think it would be a good read.
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05-04-2021 at 06:57 PM.
05-04-2021 at 06:57 PM.
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These aren't future proof to the slightest. Neither is Wifi 6, this is the start of these routers slide into obsolescence. This is a strong choice for right now, either is. But neither is "future proof" in a wifi 6 generation that's already started hardware and device adaptation.
Again, I think the 3x 2200 vs 3x 1200 + 2200 is a paper advantage, and a preference choice. I haven't seen practical research on application of the 2 options.
I'd honestly love to see it. I think it would be a good read.
The ac2100 4x4 is more future proof than an ac1200 2x2. Meaning the former will provide folks more satisfaction for more years than the latter.
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