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Mr Cool Central Air Conditioner Packages Home Depot $1357

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This deal is not for everyone, unless you have a friend in the HVAC business you will more than likely have to self install as most companies understandably will not install self purchased equipment. This is not ductless.

3.5 ton air condenser plus encased coil for $1357. Listing states 14 SEER but when I looked at what is included it appears to be 16 SEER.

Best price I could see for the two pieces separately was $1271 for the condenser and 534 for the encased coil.

There are many combinations available but I cannot speak to the savings. This is the size I was looking for so I know this is a good deal.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/MRCOO.../315290325

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https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heati...=mr%20cool
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Created 06-02-2021 at 05:15 PM by jboater
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Stix
06-03-2021 at 09:33 AM.
06-03-2021 at 09:33 AM.
Whelp. I was entertained by some trolls for a bit. Bored now. At least good info provided to those who want it. Have a great day all!!
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06-03-2021 at 09:38 AM.
06-03-2021 at 09:38 AM.
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Exactly
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thegman230
06-03-2021 at 09:42 AM.
06-03-2021 at 09:42 AM.
Awww he's taking his ball and going home! He's got a lot of time posting here instead of doing his installs because he's at home while the system is on the evac pump.
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madgame
06-03-2021 at 10:44 AM.
06-03-2021 at 10:44 AM.
I'll be honest, I know NOTHING about HVAC. Also, I have a house with Forced Air furnace and no A/C! So I was interested. I found this thread to be entertaining and enlightening! At least I know if/when I go to get A/C installed, I should be prepared to take it on the chin! Lol.
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zumuta
06-03-2021 at 02:56 PM.
06-03-2021 at 02:56 PM.
Check with your local utility provider & see if they are offering rebates. Eg. new more efficient unit could get a few bucks as an incentive.
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Lilyly
06-03-2021 at 03:28 PM.
06-03-2021 at 03:28 PM.
Quote from zumuta :
Check with your local utility provider & see if they are offering rebates. Eg. new more efficient unit could get a few bucks as an incentive.
only $100 in rebate and you have to use their "approved" contractors who usually charge you a couple hundred more than other guys.
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jboater
06-03-2021 at 04:03 PM.
06-03-2021 at 04:03 PM.
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This is not a 16 seer system. Only way to make it 16 seer is use a TXV and a compatible furnaces with ECM drive. It is only 14 seer in the same situation. It is up to these seer ratings if you install them correctly and with the right additions. Self installing is a bad idea. Especially if you do not have the right equipment. No, I would never install a self bought system for someone. Warranty is a nightmare. Usually there is not one. Why would I lose out on profits so someone can try to be cheap? My time is valuable. Only way I would is with a contract saying AS IS, NO WARRANTY. How many builders let you buy all the wood to build a house?
Good info, thanks. I plan on using the TXV and the furnace that is on the way is does have the ecm blower. I installed my first unit 30 years ago and it is still going strong. Only parts I have replaced is the contactor and capacitor twice. It has never needed charged and the only reason I am replacing is for added efficiency and if it ever needs Freon I am SOL. Not to sound like a jerk but anyone who can read, has the desire and willing to obtain the correct tools can do this. I said in my original post that it is not for everyone and I understand techs not wanting to install customer bought equipment so we are in agreement. As far as being cheap, not me. I prefer to do all my own work as then I know it is done right and to my expectations.
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MG-70
06-03-2021 at 04:16 PM.
06-03-2021 at 04:16 PM.
I don't understand why people are questioning how much one should charge for his services. Last I checked, the US was still a free country, no matter how much the uneducated and unemployable are trying to ruin it, thinking they're somehow going to get a better deal when the government tells them where to go punch in and in which line to stand in for their stale bread. If the price is too high for your wallet, go find someone who can do the job cheaper, and cross your fingers they do it right, but don't bash the man for valuing his worthiness! Skilled labor in a first world country isn't cheap; be it a physician, IT tech, plumber, or an HVAC technician.
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tstarks
06-03-2021 at 05:17 PM.
06-03-2021 at 05:17 PM.
Quote from MG-70 :
I don't understand why people are questioning how much one should charge for his services. Last I checked, the US was still a free country, no matter how much the uneducated and unemployable are trying to ruin it, thinking they're somehow going to get a better deal when the government tells them where to go punch in and in which line to stand in for their stale bread. If the price is too high for your wallet, go find someone who can do the job cheaper, and cross your fingers they do it right, but don't bash the man for valuing his worthiness! Skilled labor in a first world country isn't cheap; be it a physician, IT tech, plumber, or an HVAC technician.
WTF are you talking about? We are all just looking to get the best possible deal and not be taken advantage of. You can go back to Facebook with your government conspiracy and bread line talk, go be with your people and let the deal hunters continue to hunt without you pissing in our ears.
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06-04-2021 at 11:10 AM.
06-04-2021 at 11:10 AM.
Quote from tstarks :
WTF are you talking about? We are all just looking to get the best possible deal and not be taken advantage of. You can go back to Facebook with your government conspiracy and bread line talk, go be with your people and let the deal hunters continue to hunt without you pissing in our ears.

I am wondering if that guy doesn't realize he's literally on a website for cheapskates lol
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06-06-2021 at 07:38 PM.
06-06-2021 at 07:38 PM.
Anyone in this thread have experience with the Mr Cool Universal HP / air handler line? Been looking at them for 6 months or so, not seeing much movement in prices. Here's [homedepot.com]the 4 ton for example. Don't see many non mini-split threads pop up, figured i'd ask Smilie
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sfmyfriend
06-07-2021 at 02:03 PM.
06-07-2021 at 02:03 PM.
Does anyone know if this unit can be added to a house that already has a gas heater with ducts? The furnace is installed in the attic. I heard that is no longer allowed in our area.

Thanks
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06-09-2021 at 09:38 AM.
06-09-2021 at 09:38 AM.
Quote from tstarks :
Can someone explain to me why HVAC techs would be unhappy if they were paid to install a self-purchased unit? Is it just that they're missing out on the extra markup profit on the equipment?
I see you've already gotten some good answers to your question, but let me give you an example. A realistic contractor's price in an area of the country with an average cost of living to replace an existing 3-ton condenser and evaporator along with an 80% efficiency 80,000-BTU/hour gas furnace with new 14-SEER equipment might be around $7,000. You could buy the equipment online for around $2,700 [acwholesalers.com] (if you can find it in stock these days). A contractor's wholesale price should be no more than that (otherwise they'd order it online, right?), meaning they are charging $4,300 in markup, labor, and additional materials.

Additional materials are things like refrigerant, tape, screws, torch fuel, nitrogen, brazing material, and so forth. All that stuff might cost them $300 to be generous, which leaves them $4,000 in labor and markup. That $4,000 is not pure profit of course, as they have labor and other legitimate business expenses that come out of it. However, $4,000 is the amount they expect to walk away with after buying the equipment and materials.

If you call them out to install the equipment you ordered online, they are still going to expect the same $4,000 from you because that's what they could walk away with selling equipment to someone else instead of spending their time installing your equipment. The work might require 10 hours of labor, so you're probably going to get annoyed at them for trying to charge you $400 an hour in labor and tell them to get lost. Contractors don't want to waste their time giving a quote that will almost surely be turned down, so they just refuse to install customer-supplied equipment.

Contractors that don't install customer-supplied equipment will offer all sorts of excuses why, but they don't usually give not making as much money as a reason. Contractors also like to justify their high prices by citing the myriad of business expenses they have (labor, buying and maintaining vehicles, gasoline, insurance, advertising, rent, and so forth); however, you're really only buying labor and a few odds and ends in materials from them when you supply your own equipment. Few professionals besides doctors and lawyers command $400 per hour, no matter what their business expenses are. I mean no disrespect to hard-working HVAC professionals, but I'd rather not pay them as much as a doctor or lawyer if I can help it.

The bottom line is they don't want to work for $100 per hour if they can charge $400 per hour somewhere else.

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06-09-2021 at 09:55 AM.
06-09-2021 at 09:55 AM.
Quote from Deal Hound :
I see you've already gotten some good answers to your question, but let me give you an example. A realistic contractor's price in an area of the country with an average cost of living to replace an existing 3-ton condenser and evaporator along with an 80% efficiency 80,000-BTU/hour gas furnace with new 14-SEER equipment might be around $7,000. You could buy the equipment online for around $2,700 [acwholesalers.com] (if you can find it in stock these days). A contractor's wholesale price should be no more than that (otherwise they'd order it online, right?), meaning they are charging $4,300 in markup, labor, and additional materials.

Additional materials are things like refrigerant, tape, screws, torch fuel, nitrogen, brazing material, and so forth. All that stuff might cost them $300 to be generous, which leaves them $4,000 in labor and markup. That $4,000 is not pure profit of course, as they have labor and other legitimate business expenses that come out of it. However, $4,000 is the amount they expect to walk away with after buying the equipment and materials.

If you call them out to install the equipment you ordered online, they are still going to expect the same $4,000 from you because that's what they could walk away with selling equipment to someone else instead of spending their time installing your equipment. The work might require 10 hours of labor, so you're probably going to get annoyed at them for trying to charge you $400 an hour in labor and tell them to get lost. Contractors don't want to waste their time giving a quote that will almost surely be turned down, so they just refuse to install customer-supplied equipment.

Contractors that don't install customer-supplied equipment will offer all sorts of excuses why, but they don't usually give not making as much money as a reason. Contractors also like to justify their high prices by citing the myriad of business expenses they have (labor, buying and maintaining vehicles, gasoline, insurance, advertising, rent, and so forth); however, you're really only buying labor and a few odds and ends in materials from them when you supply your own equipment. Few professionals besides doctors and lawyers command $400 per hour, no matter what their business expenses are. I mean no disrespect to hard-working HVAC professionals, but I'd rather not pay them as much as a doctor or lawyer if I can help it.

The bottom line is they don't want to work for $100 per hour if they can charge $400 per hour somewhere else.
Very helpful and well laid out, thanks for the response. I have a central air unit, just trying to get a feel for what I might be up against if I ever have to replace / repair it as this is not an area where I've had any experience.

Thanks again.
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starcaptor
06-09-2021 at 10:24 AM.
06-09-2021 at 10:24 AM.
Quote from tstarks :
Very helpful and well laid out, thanks for the response. I have a central air unit, just trying to get a feel for what I might be up against if I ever have to replace / repair it as this is not an area where I've had any experience.

Thanks again.
A total aside, but it may be worth it to see if your homeowners insurance includes mechanical coverage. Mine did, so I got about $2700 back that I could either use to repair my system from 1985, or put towards a new system. I chose the latter.

In downstate NY, the typical quote I got for a 4-ton replacement was around $8-10k. Usually 16 SEER. If you wanted better equipment, the labor was fixed, and you just paid for the more expensive stuff. Not cheap at all, but it seems that $10k is the going for any HVAC...cooling, heating, etc. Even if its just a pair of ductless', it will somehow magically add to $10k.

Advice from my semi-recent HVAC upgrade experience (2018)...If you choose a company which is privy to all of the govt/utility rebates for high efficiency equipment when in conjunction with insulation and other improvements, you will likely pay alot less *and* get a contractor who isnt the type who installs one brand and gives one Rx over and over again to every client. Youll likely be able to bend alot of rules and get $ back which is not explicitly mentioned in the paperwork.

As for finding a decent contractor (decent here belies competence, reliability, and most of all, empathy) If you want a litmus test to the level of knowledge to expect from your company, and assuming you live in one of the "cold climate" areas like the Northeast or upper midwest, just mention "what options do you have for heat pumps?" and then take notes for the next 5-10 minutes of conversation. I know from my own experience, the convos did not last long, and neither did the visits. Mind you, this is even if you werent considering a heat pump...its just turns out to be an interesting trigger.

And it seems the experiences that I had were not unique: https://grist.org/buildings/he-wa...e-problem/

The best contractors will answer every question honestly and non-defensively. This is the same as I do in my business; I never condescend, I am always thorough, and I am always ok with a client walking away. The firm I hired from was owned by a PE that let me watch every step, explained all the nuances, and outright admitted when something was un-expected.


PS -Came here from the Amtrak pass thread, and the tangents in conversation here are very much in parallel to the ones there...
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