Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
this is most definitely not a no name brand. as a matter of fact, focal is one of the most popular brands in the world of audiophiles
Super helpful comment, looks like. Cheapest price available right now is this post, but OP must be a shill then. Guess the shill helped me find a really great priced headphone to go to my collection. Damn shills.
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Damn it. Are you serious? These too? My end game hp were the Focal Elex but I've stayed far away from them because of the horrid qc issues. I've heard of one instance of someone getting a Clear MG's with driver failure on arrival and the more common driver clipping issues.
Anyone have any experience with that expensive "leaf warranty" from the adorama website? I've read some short good reviews but a couple long bad ones.
I have been a focal fan for years. Started with Utopia line and now the Kanta and while my main gear is not focal, they have their strengths. So I am not dissing focal, I am just really unhappy that these cans never left my desk, never were abused and just gave out anyway. I have a sennheiser my father gave me from the early 90s that's still going strong.
I'm so happy not being an audiophile has saved me thousands of dollars over the years.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
I'm so happy not being an audiophile has saved me thousands of dollars over the years.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
There is no logical or practical reasoning for music. Neither is there one for spending on music. Or watches or cars or anything. Someone once told me not buying a pack of cigarettes each day for 20 years could have saved her enough money to buy a Ferrari. She didn't smoke but didn't have a damn Ferrari either. I am happy for you that you don't have an audio fetish but it probably hasn't saved you much either.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
I have a pair of these and they are actually very efficient headphones. I have used them with a DAC/AMP, but they also sound very good without a DAC or AMP and get very loud from the laptop/phone's built-in 3.5mm port. Impedance is only 35ohms, which is very easy to drive. Hope this helps.
Because they have been making headphones long before apple decided to get into the market? Making a comment like that makes you seem like an apple fanboy.
To be fair Focal is also quite new to the headphone market and as good as some of their stuff is it is all overpriced.
Positively, Focal is a real respected hifi audio manufacturer with much product still made at factories in France and they do make some very stylish equipment. Again, all of it is priced very high in the USA - often double what they sell for in Europe and especially France, the home base.
Their high end speakers rise over $250,000 - utterly ridiculous - but hopefully a source of trickle down for the lower priced lines.
Do your homework before you post or go get yourself some skull candy you will like the price much better
Relax, your panties are all up in a bunch. If you would have read the next few comments you would have seen what I meant. Anyway, just ordered these, hoping to get some good use out of them. Thanks op
I'm so happy not being an audiophile has saved me thousands of dollars over the years.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
I bet driving an old beater for a car the last 20 years has saved you enough to pay cash for a double wide !!
I bet driving an old beater for a car the last 20 years has saved you enough to pay cash for a double wide !!
No idea what a double wide is, but yes, I do tend to drive my car until it's completely beaten down (300k) or totaled by some random driver on the highway.
I have W40's w/ Bluetooth. I listen to mp3, etc. on my i7 work phone on the weekend. I wouldn't want anything more sick than that. This music in my ears makes me send emails that I regret later for work. I could only imagine the craziness of the "audiophile" type.
You have a pair of $500 IEMs and you arent using at least an AMP?
Rtings is the single worst Audio review source. As soon as they added other products outside of TVs to their reviews, they genuinely went to crap. It's really sad to see as it shows just how ill-informed they truly are. Their scoring system has always been garbage on all products with nonsensical value determinations but they at least take good measurement data for TVs. Their audio measurements are often inaccurate though so there is no positive to their audio reviews. Audio reviews are definitely a tough breed but they do it wrong point by point. Whathifi is perfectly fine, even if a bit nondescript and somewhat incomplete in their reviews. Please look to alternatives such as The Headphone Show, DMS, Joshua Valour, the SoundGuys, and headphone forums for actually decent information.
You don't need lossless files to receive the majority of the benefits of better headphones under $1000. That includes these. At 320kbps or even 128kbps, you will absolutely hear more detail in all frequency ranges on these headphones than say, Airpods Max, ATH-M50X, WH-1000XM4, etc. These are an 35 Ohm headset with high sensitivity at 105db SPL(edited for correction, Mixed them up with the Elear, my bad). They don't need an external amp to drive but you will definitely get more out of them if you do have a decent low end amp. If you drive them from most phones and laptops, they won't be able to get quite as loud and you will typically lose a bit of resolution but they will still far outperform any similarly priced and even more expensive bluetooth options. I'm not sure I would jump to buy these over the Sundara, HD 6XX, or especially the Elex(focal's best under $1k imo), but they are probably the best mid-forward closed back headphone you will find for less than $700. If you are going to spend $400 on a smooth, mid forward headphone, these definitely beat the HD 660S to me.
Well, for sound quality mostly. Airpods Max just aren't good sounding headphones empirically. That's not to say they don't have their place on the market, but they simply lack in all metrics compared to much cheaper wired alternatives. There is also the factor of longevity. Airpods Max are built to have a limited lifespan between the lightning connection, awful headband(for durability) that likely won't be replaceable, built in battery, and reliance on software updates for its DSP to function. I have a few headphones that I have had for nearly 10 years and only just recently had to repair the leather on the headbands from extensive wear. The elegia should last even longer considering the material choice.
Staff account. Of course it's technically a shill. All staff accounts are fundamentally shills as slickdeals operates on revenue from purchases made from direct links. This should be fairly obvious as Adorama consistently does their advertising through deal sites. It's a cheaper and more effective advertising approach that allows them to offer better pricing than paying for indirect and targeted ads.
It's generally about $500 to $550 for these so it's not the craziest of deals, but yeah, still very solid at $400 for the elegia.You
You mentioned the HD6XX, another option for people would be the HD58x.
Retailing at $170, HD58X are often on sale for $140-160 (with first time customer coupon at Drop.com) and are much easier to drive than the HD6XX.
My Macbook Pro has no issues driving my 58x but still picked up a portable USB-C DAC/AMP combo to get the most bang for my buck in terms of audio quality.
And you are correct there is no comparison to bluetooth headphones even the Airpods Max.
HD58X/HD6XX + $100 DAC/AMP should be the standard recommendation for anyone looking to get into the HiFi space with under $300 to spend
You mentioned the HD6XX, another option for people would be the HD58x.
Often on sale for $140-160 (with first time customer coupon at Drop.com) retail for $170 and much easier to drive the HD6XX
My Macbook Pro has no issues driving my 58x but still picked up a portable USB-C DAC/AMP combo to get the most for my listening
And you are correct there is no comparison to bluetooth headphones even the Airpods Max - which cost well over $600 with warranty and tax.
HD58X + $100 DAC/AMP = $300 with tax
Very true and a good recommendation. However, the reason I say the HD 6XX specifically is that the 58X, for instance, lacks the vocal tonality of the 600, 650, and 6XX and isn't quite as detailed. It does have a bit wider soundstage and a more impactful bass response. The Elegia is a midforward headphone and while it doesn't have the "Sennheiser Vocals", its sound profile is closer to the 6XX than the 58X. I mention the Sundara because it's a mostly neutral, detailed headphone that's a really good all rounder. The elex is basically a slightly brighter, but still mostly neutral headphone that's a pretty good slot in upgrade to the Sundara, albeit at double the cost.
Agree on the standard recommendation but would also add the HE-400i 2020 Edition to that list. It's way more detailed than the Senns with a flatter frequency response. It doesn't have that quintessential smoothness the Sennheiser HD 58X, 600, 650, 6XX, and 660S have.
forget about the price. just look at OP's history. they literally posted deals on elegias multiple times from the same exact website through a link that cannot be found when searching yourself. i'm not doubting the discount, i'm just doubting the intentions being OP.
He posts about a lot of audio gear. I bought my HD650's and HE560 from his deals years ago. I don't get this "Shill" accusation agaisnt people who have been posting deals for years and years. You're only being helped by previous posts for these headphones by determining whether or not it's a good price. And yes, Adorama always has ridiculous retail values. Doesn't matter who posts a deal for them.
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Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
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Anyone have any experience with that expensive "leaf warranty" from the adorama website? I've read some short good reviews but a couple long bad ones.
I have been a focal fan for years. Started with Utopia line and now the Kanta and while my main gear is not focal, they have their strengths. So I am not dissing focal, I am just really unhappy that these cans never left my desk, never were abused and just gave out anyway. I have a sennheiser my father gave me from the early 90s that's still going strong.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
There is no logical or practical reasoning for music. Neither is there one for spending on music. Or watches or cars or anything. Someone once told me not buying a pack of cigarettes each day for 20 years could have saved her enough money to buy a Ferrari. She didn't smoke but didn't have a damn Ferrari either. I am happy for you that you don't have an audio fetish but it probably hasn't saved you much either.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Positively, Focal is a real respected hifi audio manufacturer with much product still made at factories in France and they do make some very stylish equipment. Again, all of it is priced very high in the USA - often double what they sell for in Europe and especially France, the home base.
Their high end speakers rise over $250,000 - utterly ridiculous - but hopefully a source of trickle down for the lower priced lines.
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Relax, your panties are all up in a bunch. If you would have read the next few comments you would have seen what I meant. Anyway, just ordered these, hoping to get some good use out of them. Thanks op
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
I bet driving an old beater for a car the last 20 years has saved you enough to pay cash for a double wide !!
No idea what a double wide is, but yes, I do tend to drive my car until it's completely beaten down (300k) or totaled by some random driver on the highway.
You don't need lossless files to receive the majority of the benefits of better headphones under $1000. That includes these. At 320kbps or even 128kbps, you will absolutely hear more detail in all frequency ranges on these headphones than say, Airpods Max, ATH-M50X, WH-1000XM4, etc. These are an 35 Ohm headset with high sensitivity at 105db SPL(edited for correction, Mixed them up with the Elear, my bad). They don't need an external amp to drive but you will definitely get more out of them if you do have a decent low end amp. If you drive them from most phones and laptops, they won't be able to get quite as loud and you will typically lose a bit of resolution but they will still far outperform any similarly priced and even more expensive bluetooth options. I'm not sure I would jump to buy these over the Sundara, HD 6XX, or especially the Elex(focal's best under $1k imo), but they are probably the best mid-forward closed back headphone you will find for less than $700. If you are going to spend $400 on a smooth, mid forward headphone, these definitely beat the HD 660S to me.
Well, for sound quality mostly. Airpods Max just aren't good sounding headphones empirically. That's not to say they don't have their place on the market, but they simply lack in all metrics compared to much cheaper wired alternatives. There is also the factor of longevity. Airpods Max are built to have a limited lifespan between the lightning connection, awful headband(for durability) that likely won't be replaceable, built in battery, and reliance on software updates for its DSP to function. I have a few headphones that I have had for nearly 10 years and only just recently had to repair the leather on the headbands from extensive wear. The elegia should last even longer considering the material choice.
Staff account. Of course it's technically a shill. All staff accounts are fundamentally shills as slickdeals operates on revenue from purchases made from direct links. This should be fairly obvious as Adorama consistently does their advertising through deal sites. It's a cheaper and more effective advertising approach that allows them to offer better pricing than paying for indirect and targeted ads.
It's generally about $500 to $550 for these so it's not the craziest of deals, but yeah, still very solid at $400 for the elegia.You
Retailing at $170, HD58X are often on sale for $140-160 (with first time customer coupon at Drop.com) and are much easier to drive than the HD6XX.
My Macbook Pro has no issues driving my 58x but still picked up a portable USB-C DAC/AMP combo to get the most bang for my buck in terms of audio quality.
And you are correct there is no comparison to bluetooth headphones even the Airpods Max.
HD58X/HD6XX + $100 DAC/AMP should be the standard recommendation for anyone looking to get into the HiFi space with under $300 to spend
Often on sale for $140-160 (with first time customer coupon at Drop.com) retail for $170 and much easier to drive the HD6XX
My Macbook Pro has no issues driving my 58x but still picked up a portable USB-C DAC/AMP combo to get the most for my listening
And you are correct there is no comparison to bluetooth headphones even the Airpods Max - which cost well over $600 with warranty and tax.
HD58X + $100 DAC/AMP = $300 with tax
Agree on the standard recommendation but would also add the HE-400i 2020 Edition to that list. It's way more detailed than the Senns with a flatter frequency response. It doesn't have that quintessential smoothness the Sennheiser HD 58X, 600, 650, 6XX, and 660S have.
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He posts about a lot of audio gear. I bought my HD650's and HE560 from his deals years ago. I don't get this "Shill" accusation agaisnt people who have been posting deals for years and years. You're only being helped by previous posts for these headphones by determining whether or not it's a good price. And yes, Adorama always has ridiculous retail values. Doesn't matter who posts a deal for them.