Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
this is most definitely not a no name brand. as a matter of fact, focal is one of the most popular brands in the world of audiophiles
Super helpful comment, looks like. Cheapest price available right now is this post, but OP must be a shill then. Guess the shill helped me find a really great priced headphone to go to my collection. Damn shills.
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as many mentioned already, these can be driven by just your phone/ipad. I have good dac+amp setup and I can barely notice any difference with and without it. I do recommend replacing the cable with something like https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PY5YYZN/ , it's just longer and feels much better. For macbook, using eqMac app ($) was a great improvement. Also with macs, make sure you're familiar with "Audio MIDI Setup" settings, if you want to test your hearing for different lossless modes.
Closed by design so people are not supposed to hear what you're listening, still they're not isolating enough - on higher volumes people nearby will still hear your music. I'd want to say they are great for office, but again, up to ~50% volume, YMMV
Are these good for FPS gaming or general gaming needs on top of music for desktop PC?
EDIT: I currently use AKG371's, wondering if these would be a major upgrade or if I'd hardly notice a difference. If you have any input I'd like to hear.
This is more for the music listening crowd. I'm sure you can game on these but not sure how well these image.
If you want a gaming headset, check out this comparison by an ex cs 1.6 pro.
He also gives solid recommendations for the AKG k712, HyperX cloud II(not to be confused with the alpha's) used by the valorant team Sentinels
and the Sennheiser pc38x.
He rates these headphones via his criteria which is can he hear footsteps in the middle of fight, how good is the directional audio, how well can the headphones track 3rd parties in fights, etc.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
I think you've outlined one path, sure.
That said, I think someone going from a basic pair of headphones to these will still be able to enjoy them without all the additional addons.
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Feel like a bit more needs to be said.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
You've outlined a possible path, sure.
However, I think you'll just drive people away from the hobby if your're suggesting you need to spend potentially thousands extra to enjoy quality headphones.
These run fine on most devices and most people will be able to perceive an increase in quality on regular subscriptions to streaming services like Spotify and Tidal.
I think hobbyists tend to make their hobby's sound super difficult to get value and enjoyment out of when that's not really the case.
My phone drives these just fine. I have an ifi hip dac and a thx aaa desktop amp which are obviously better but these absolutely don't require an amp. They're much easier to drive than high end cans from Sennheiser or Beyer.
I mean sure they'll work just fine however to really benefit from these headphones, but plug these into a proper setup and you'll see what they're really meant for. I don't want someone to buy them and say, why aren't these much better than my $200 bluetooth setup and now I have to deal with a wire.
My phone drives these just fine. I have an ifi hip dac and a thx aaa desktop amp which are obviously better but these absolutely don't require an amp. They're much easier to drive than high end cans from Sennheiser or Beyer.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
they're closed back though. You want open back for the highest quality afaik.
Consider using these with something like the Qudelux 5k ($99) amp/dac in LDAC mode with equalization, the Wavelet app on Android (if you have enough power), or EqualizerAPO on Windows for EQ
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
I think you are wrong on this. If you pay this kind of money you should have hi end equipment, not a phone,my parasound p6 has a killer dac and will make these cans sing.
How do they stackup against the HiFiMan HE-560 V4 ?
Two different beasts almost entirely, these being closed dynamic, and the 560s, open planar. I use both as my mains and switch between the two depending on use case.
Elegias are more intimate and have punchier bass. Sound very open for closed cans. IMO more fun to listen to with most music genres than the 560s, even though I'd say the 560s have a "better sound". Mids are virtually perfect for my ears. More premium build quality as well. Highly recommend EQ though, as treble above 2kHz could use some help. Sound somewhat veiled otherwise. Prefer these for most music listening sessions.
560s are more accurate and airy. These will likely sound more pleasing out of box, but still benefit from EQ. Planar magnetics have a "clean and fast" quality that is difficult to describe. Lighter weight, so can wear these for longer periods of time (Elegias are still plenty comfortable though). You will need a decent amp, or these will sound restrained. Prefer these for general use/gaming and instrumental music.
Where both shine are in technical quality, especially in detail retrieval. Love going back to old favorites and hearing new details not picked up on before. Sound stages are somewhat narrow on both, but imaging and separation are great with a slight advantage to the 560s, but that is likely just due to them being open planars. Both are steals at their sale prices IMO. I really enjoy having both, as it lets you appreciate the contrasting strengths of each other while still having a fantastic experience on either.
Got these on the deal last month. The good: premium materials, strong mids with great sound stage. NO AMP needed. The bad: lack mid-bass. Strong clamping force in the head. Had to return these because my ears rang even after low volume listening.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Amazon UHD is slightly cheaper at $8 per month if you have Prime
I'm so happy not being an audiophile has saved me thousands of dollars over the years.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
Unless you are buying top of the line headphones, it's really not that expensive to get a high quality audio setup, especially if you know which is the best bang for your buck.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Only thing I'll say is that you don't have to subscribe to a music service. You can always rip your own CDs/Vinyls or you can sail the high seas like most of the people that I know. Not that I would do such a thing, but it's an option.
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Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
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Closed by design so people are not supposed to hear what you're listening, still they're not isolating enough - on higher volumes people nearby will still hear your music. I'd want to say they are great for office, but again, up to ~50% volume, YMMV
EDIT: I currently use AKG371's, wondering if these would be a major upgrade or if I'd hardly notice a difference. If you have any input I'd like to hear.
If you want a gaming headset, check out this comparison by an ex cs 1.6 pro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkYvZ-el
He likes the Tygr 300r and the Sennheiser 560s.
He also gives solid recommendations for the
AKG k712,
HyperX cloud II(not to be confused with the alpha's) used by the valorant team Sentinels
and the Sennheiser pc38x.
He rates these headphones via his criteria which is can he hear footsteps in the middle of fight, how good is the directional audio, how well can the headphones track 3rd parties in fights, etc.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
That said, I think someone going from a basic pair of headphones to these will still be able to enjoy them without all the additional addons.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
However, I think you'll just drive people away from the hobby if your're suggesting you need to spend potentially thousands extra to enjoy quality headphones.
These run fine on most devices and most people will be able to perceive an increase in quality on regular subscriptions to streaming services like Spotify and Tidal.
I think hobbyists tend to make their hobby's sound super difficult to get value and enjoyment out of when that's not really the case.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
they're closed back though. You want open back for the highest quality afaik.
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Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Elegias are more intimate and have punchier bass. Sound very open for closed cans. IMO more fun to listen to with most music genres than the 560s, even though I'd say the 560s have a "better sound". Mids are virtually perfect for my ears. More premium build quality as well. Highly recommend EQ though, as treble above 2kHz could use some help. Sound somewhat veiled otherwise. Prefer these for most music listening sessions.
560s are more accurate and airy. These will likely sound more pleasing out of box, but still benefit from EQ. Planar magnetics have a "clean and fast" quality that is difficult to describe. Lighter weight, so can wear these for longer periods of time (Elegias are still plenty comfortable though). You will need a decent amp, or these will sound restrained. Prefer these for general use/gaming and instrumental music.
Where both shine are in technical quality, especially in detail retrieval. Love going back to old favorites and hearing new details not picked up on before. Sound stages are somewhat narrow on both, but imaging and separation are great with a slight advantage to the 560s, but that is likely just due to them being open planars. Both are steals at their sale prices IMO. I really enjoy having both, as it lets you appreciate the contrasting strengths of each other while still having a fantastic experience on either.
Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Not going to begrudge those who can tell the difference between these and $100 headphones, but I think I'm fine not driven to look for the next good deal on headphones/speakers/wires/equipment that can make my CDs or records sound 5-10% better.
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Most people are going to be driving these headphones from their laptops/phones and most laptops/phones do not have the sufficient power required to drive headphones like these.
So then you have to start thinking about buying a DAC, AMP, or DAC/AMP combo.
Then you have to ask yourself do you only want to listen to your headphones while sitting at a desk (with a wall outlet DAC/AMP) or want to be portable (requiring a portable DAC/AMP)
Budget solutions range between $100-200 for a decent DAC/AMP combo
Now that you have that figured out you need to subscribe to a music service that actually offers music streaming at a higher bitrate. Cheapest solution right now is Apple Music HD as Tidal HiFi is ridiculously overpriced and their MQA format is snake oil at best.
Once you got that figured out you will enjoy audiophile grade headphones and be able to appreciate new subtle nuances and aspects of songs you have heard 100s of times before.
Only thing I'll say is that you don't have to subscribe to a music service. You can always rip your own CDs/Vinyls or you can sail the high seas like most of the people that I know. Not that I would do such a thing, but it's an option.