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Amazon: GIGABYTE M27Q 27" 170Hz 1440P KVM Gaming Monitor, 2560 x 1440 SS IPS Display $259.99

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The GIGABYTE M27Q 27" 170Hz 1440P KVM IPS Gaming Monitor is on sale at Amazon again for $259.99.

This deal matches the previous NewEgg deal without the use of a coupon code:

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-M...08JWCHR5N/

I've had this monitor since February ($329.99 from Best Buy) and it's been amazing. The built-in KVM is great since I have it hooked up to my custom Windows gaming desktop at all times and hook up my MacBook Air via USB-C (need to buy a cable that supports display. The included power cable doesn't support display output) when I want to use it with a bigger display.

(Corsair mechanical keyboard + Logitech G305)
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The GIGABYTE M27Q 27" 170Hz 1440P KVM IPS Gaming Monitor is on sale at Amazon again for $259.99.

This deal matches the previous NewEgg deal without the use of a coupon code:

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-M...08JWCHR5N/

I've had this monitor since February ($329.99 from Best Buy) and it's been amazing. The built-in KVM is great since I have it hooked up to my custom Windows gaming desktop at all times and hook up my MacBook Air via USB-C (need to buy a cable that supports display. The included power cable doesn't support display output) when I want to use it with a bigger display.

(Corsair mechanical keyboard + Logitech G305)

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Nov 18, 2021
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r.pad
Nov 18, 2021
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Quote from MrApeture :
up my MacBook Air via USB-C (need to buy a cable that supports display, the included power cable doesn't work)
do you use USB-C to DisplayPort? i've read some people have had issues getting 60Hz on M1 Macs, not sure about M1 Pro and M1 Max.
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MrAperture
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Quote from r.pad :
do you use USB-C to DisplayPort? i've read some people have had issues getting 60Hz on M1 Macs, not sure about M1 Pro and M1 Max.
No, just straight up USB-C to USB-C
Nov 18, 2021
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shaqweek
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank shaqweek

BGR sub-pixel layout is something to consider on this monitor, but other than that it's a killer deal.
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Nov 18, 2021
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JissJ
Nov 18, 2021
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Isn't this the same monitor from the B&H deal posted a couple of days ago?
Nov 18, 2021
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yzhai
Nov 18, 2021
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Quote from shaqweek :
BGR sub-pixel layout is something to consider on this monitor, but other than that it's a killer deal.
Thanks for this reminder. I did some research on the BGR issue and decided to pass.
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STPATTY3172000
Nov 18, 2021
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Quote from yzhai :
Thanks for this reminder. I did some research on the BGR issue and decided to pass.
OMG, please explain this to me. I'm trying to buy one for my son and I have no idea which one to get.
Nov 18, 2021
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clashandcarry
Nov 18, 2021
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Quote from STPATTY3172000 :
OMG, please explain this to me. I'm trying to buy one for my son and I have no idea which one to get.
https://www.monitornerds.com/rgb-...el-layout/
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STPATTY3172000
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Thank you!
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sleepybandit
Nov 18, 2021
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I asked this in the BH thread but no one knew the answer it seemed. I will try here too.

If I am running a dual monitor setup with one RGB monitor and one BGR monitor then does it result in extra processing being required by the GPU? Since the GPU has to render the GUI in two different ways for two different type of monitors. It just seems like it would work less if it rendered all desktops one way.
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Quote from sleepybandit :
I asked this in the BH thread but no one knew the answer it seemed. I will try here too.

If I am running a dual monitor setup with one RGB monitor and one BGR monitor then does it result in extra processing being required by the GPU? Since the GPU has to render the GUI in two different ways for two different type of monitors. It just seems like it would work less if it rendered all desktops one way.
Bro, I answered your question already in that other thread. I can't make this answer any damn clearer for you. The GPU doesn't do any "extra" processing whether it's the "RGB" or "BGR" setting through Cleartype. It's only functioning as a basic display adapter for that window/UI element.

Only software that has "hardware acceleration enabled" is there literally _any_ extra processing done by the GPU. Example, web browsers these days have a toggle to enable/disable hardware acceleration, which literally means "use my graphics processor to help accelerate video/3d draw calls instead of relying on the cpu to do everything. Also example, web browsers (you know, a software that _could_ have hardware acceleration enabled, and therefore request gpu resources, and therefore potentially "require extra processing" as per your question's wording) literally ignore your cleartype setting _anyways_, regardless of RGB setting or BGR setting or if you have a graphics card in your PC or not. Google Chrome is _literally_ not programmed to detect what your cleartype setting is on your PC and do subpixel font rendering according to your cleartype setting. The way Google Chrome does subpixel font rendering is _entirely_ decided by Google programmers, not by your Windows Cleartype setting.
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Nov 19, 2021
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Quote from shaqweek :
BGR sub-pixel layout is something to consider on this monitor, but other than that it's a killer deal.
IF your going to use the monitor in portrait mode then there is an issue with lag and you will want to skip, otherwise BGR is just something that you will have to literally and extensively search for on the monitor and wont be able to tell. This whole BGR vs RGB is getting ridiculous. Unless you want to put two monitors side to side and spend 5 minutes looking at subsets of pixels with a magnifying glass to see a difference, then yes pass. I've used it for photo editing (and printing) and coding and gaming in the short time ive had it and i literally can not tell the difference.
Last edited by Riiot November 18, 2021 at 09:10 PM.
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kainsword
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Quote from MrApeture :
No, just straight up USB-C to USB-C
Some USB-C cables aren't up to spec to pass an entire video signal and all the usb devices, and the laptop could also be negotiating for power delivery from the monitor, too (which it doesn't provide).

Also some USB-C ports aren't capable of acting in display-port alternate mode (ie: this usb-c port can _functionally_ act as a display-out port and send video to a display)

Either
A) You have a bad USB-C cable.
or
B) The port you're using (physically) doesn't simultaneously support display-out and USB data at the same time.
or
C) Your device's manufacturer hasn't implemented proper drivers for that port to allow the feature in B.

Example: I have an older OnePlus phone with usb-c. I can connect it to the USB-C KVM port of the M27Q I have. The phone will detect a basic keyboard device. It will not detect my mouse. It will not detect/support display out through the usb-c port. When I click the KVM button, the screen goes black and I can use my keyboard to send a text on my phone while looking at my phone's display. My mouse doesn't do anything. If I connect my HP work laptop to the USB-C port, all functions work (display out, keyboard+mouse connectivity)

My guess? When OnePlus made my phone, they only connected the physical pins on the USB-c port to the phone's motherboard to allow data transfer and charging. (functionally a usb 2.0 port under the hood, doesn't have any extra features over a typical usb 2.0 port besides its shape.) Alternate pins that may have supported video out and all that stuff probably wasn't a big feature at the time, since it's one of the earliest USB-c phones they made, and the only feature people wanted was "oh, you can plug it in either way and it just werks(tm)"
Last edited by kainsword November 18, 2021 at 09:22 PM.
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Riiot
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Quote from kainsword :
Bro, I answered your question already in that other thread. I can't make this answer any damn clearer for you. The GPU doesn't do any "extra" processing whether it's the "RGB" or "BGR" setting through Cleartype. It's only functioning as a basic display adapter for that window/UI element.

Only software that has "hardware acceleration enabled" is there literally _any_ extra processing done by the GPU. Example, web browsers these days have a toggle to enable/disable hardware acceleration, which literally means "use my graphics processor to help accelerate video/3d draw calls instead of relying on the cpu to do everything. Also example, web browsers (you know, a software that _could_ have hardware acceleration enabled, and therefore request gpu resources, and therefore potentially "require extra processing" as per your question's wording) literally ignore your cleartype setting _anyways_, regardless of RGB setting or BGR setting or if you have a graphics card in your PC or not. Google Chrome is _literally_ not programmed to detect what your cleartype setting is on your PC and do subpixel font rendering according to your cleartype setting. The way Google Chrome does subpixel font rendering is _entirely_ decided by Google programmers, not by your Windows Cleartype setting.
@sleepybandit: AKA no it does not.
Nov 19, 2021
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kainsword
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Quote from Riiot :
IF your going to use the monitor in portrait mode then there is an issue with lag and you will want to skip, otherwise BGR is just something that you will have to literally and extensively search for on the monitor and wont be able to tell. This whole BGR vs RGB is getting ridiculous. Unless you want to put two monitors side to side and spend 5 minutes looking at subsets of pixels with a magnifying glass to see a difference, then yes pass. I've used it for photo editing (and printing) and coding and gaming in the short time ive had it and i literally can not tell the difference.
Exactly. The idiots parroting BGR vs RGB can literally test-drive a BGR monitor at home, right now. Just flip their monitor upside down, set monitor orientation to be "landscape inverted" and voila, you have a "BGR" monitor at home. Now, is the text any fuzzier/more difficult to read when it was right side up? In most cases, no.

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Quote from kainsword :
Some USB-C cables aren't up to spec to pass an entire video signal and all the usb devices, and the laptop could also be negotiating for power delivery from the monitor, too (which it doesn't provide).

Also some USB-C ports aren't capable of acting in display-port alternate mode (ie: this usb-c port can _functionally_ act as a display-out port and send video to a display)

Either
A) You have a bad USB-C cable.
or
B) The port you're using (physically) doesn't simultaneously support display-out and USB data at the same time.
or
C) Your device's manufacturer hasn't implemented proper drivers for that port to allow the feature in B.

Example: I have an older OnePlus phone with usb-c. I can connect it to the USB-C KVM port of the M27Q I have. The phone will detect a basic keyboard device. It will not detect my mouse. It will not detect/support display out through the usb-c port. When I click the KVM button, the screen goes black and I can use my keyboard to send a text on my phone while looking at my phone's display. My mouse doesn't do anything. If I connect my HP work laptop to the USB-C port, all functions work (display out, keyboard+mouse connectivity)

My guess? When OnePlus made my phone, they only connected the physical pins on the USB-c port to the phone's motherboard to allow data transfer and charging. (functionally a usb 2.0 port under the hood, doesn't have any extra features over a typical usb 2.0 port besides its shape.) Alternate pins that may have supported video out and all that stuff probably wasn't a big feature at the time, since it's one of the earliest USB-c phones they made, and the only feature people wanted was "oh, you can plug it in either way and it just werks(tm)"
My MacBook Air works fine with a USB-C cable that supports display output (included Apple supplied power cable does not output display). I was just answering the other person's question about if I was using a USB-C to DP cable.

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