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Noco Genius1 1-Amp Fully-Automatic Smart Charger

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"Expect to buy a new one every 2-3 years. A battery is considered dead once it drops to 90% capacity. You can still use it of course, however you won't reach the same voltage or Ah capacity. " LOL , mine is 3 years old and I still use it to help start my construction equipment every so often… it shows no signs of degradation… I worry ZERO about how I take care of it , including keeping it charged , blah blah bland
You're being extra here. No way in hell I'm putting this much effort for something that cost me $100.
Agreed.

Disagree. In general, Li-Ion have higher energy density, that's why they are used in higher power applications. Lead acid would only have a higher capacity if they are substantially larger (which is why most are substantially larger.) "lithium ion achieves an energy density of 125-600+ Wh/L versus 50-90 Wh/L for lead acid batteries." - https://www.cummins.com/news/2019...technology

Disagree - Generally Li-Ion discharge 3-5% per month. Charging every 12 months or so is prob fine more than fine. (ideally not in the heat or cold) The manufacturer FAQ says 4-6 months - https://no.co/support/boost-faq​ [no.co]

Sure - but not practical to carry.. I think most people would leave them in the car regardless of battery composition.


Yes.. the downside of those is just size, but I agree it is nice to get the extra capability.


Maybe.. mine have been going longer and still good. The low self discharge rate of the Li-Ion batteries means even the first charge lasts a long and and they see very few charge cycles. I don't think most would consider 90% "dead", especially for Lithium-Ion. You could still jump most engines at 50% capacity... which I've done. In healthy batteries, a high output in AMPs (watts) can still be reached (e.g. to crank an engine) even when the power in VOLTS is moderate, which means it's still usable.

These should get charged very infrequently, so the life would be mainly affected by heat or cold, if people leave them in the vehicle.

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Nov 29, 2021
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DJ Dale
Nov 29, 2021
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Quote from Efl :
Does your Wrangler have two batteries like mine does?
No. I have a 2010 Rubicon 3.8 and a 2016 Rubicon 3.6 both with 1 battery. I attend music festivals and as much as I try to avoid it my battery dies in ocassion. The GB40 wouldn't start either.

Also tried it in my new Ram 1500 with 5.7. Wouldn't start that. Can't return it and outside warranty. It's useless to me.
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nottrollin
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Quote from dealertim :
Gb40 oos?
Quote from paf0323 :
Just tried to buy the Noco Boost Plus GB40 1000 Amp 12-Volt UltraSafe Portable Lithium Car Battery Jump Starter Pack for $63.30, but only option is at $99.00
Unless you know you're only going to jump small 4 cylinders, I'd go a step up from there anyways. My neighbor had one and it was struggling to turn over a Honda V6. Also, there's reviews on Youtube (like Project Farm ) that will show you the same thing. The bigger Noco generally have good reviews.
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Efl
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Quote from DJ Dale :
No. I have a 2010 Rubicon 3.8 and a 2016 Rubicon 3.6 both with 1 battery. I attend music festivals and as much as I try to avoid it my battery dies in ocassion. The GB40 wouldn't start either.

Also tried it in my new Ram 1500 with 5.7. Wouldn't start that. Can't return it and outside warranty. It's useless to me.
That's terrible. I got a different jump starter at Costco for just a bit more than this and it's rated for 400amp jump starts and worked well on my Wrangler (battery depleted to the point the cabin lights wouldn't come on). I'd guess yours isn't truly putting out the amps it claims.
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hardypotion
Nov 29, 2021
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So much cheaper now that Project Farm exposed this
Don't believe all the review lists that had this as #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN8A2nIMUWA
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Ride_The_Sky
Nov 29, 2021
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So weird how there is not one well known American company who makes or sells these in stores. Are these still experimental products? Or do they want people to buy the 20lbs ones with pump, radio and flashlight?
Autozone lists Noco Boost 1000 amp one for $140
https://www.autozone.com/test-scan-and-specialty-tools/jump-starter/p/noco-genius-1000-amp-lithium-j... [autozone.com]
Yet it's never available.

I really don't think something this small can be reliable.
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MozartA
Nov 29, 2021
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Quote from hardypotion :
So much cheaper now that Project Farm exposed this
Don't believe all the review lists that had this as #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN8A2nIMUWA

Another Project Farm video also show GB70 is good for most cars but GB40 is probably only good for smaller compact size vehicle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixWPx79g3yk

In short, buy the right amp jump starter based on your car/engine size. You don't want to buy something that doesn't work during emergency.
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GnatGoSplat
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Quote from TimgusN :
I prefer to charge all that stuff with 1 or 2 amps. My spare cars and motorcycles sit on these trickle chargers all winter
I bought the 5-amp on Prime Day and actually wish I'd bought the 1-amp instead for half the price.

Reason being that these things have no clue if the battery goes bad and then will send full current through them. I found my GENIUS5 one day pumping full 5A current into the battery and it was hot and boiling. The charger itself was also quite hot. Now, I assume the battery just went bad on its own of no fault to the GENIUS5, but that it just couldn't tell when a battery is bad so it tries to charge it at full current. In that kind of failure mode, I'd feel a lot more comfortable if the charger could only push a max of 1A into the battery.

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davr
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Quote from djmixmode :
Avoid the 1 amp version. I had this same exact one a year ago and it took forever to charge a dead battery. I think it was still charging a day later. I returned it. Pick up the 2a at a minimum.
Welcome to math: if you've got a 50 amp hour battery and use 1 amp charger...it'll take 50 hours to charge from 0% to 100%
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redpoint5
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Wish they used SAE connectors instead of their proprietary ones. I just bought a bunch of SAE quick connectors from Aliexpress so all my vehicles have a way to trickle charge easily. I suppose I could cut the proprietary connector off and solder on an SAE... but I think I'll just look for something else.
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MaverickKWS
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Quote from UpbeatJuice8080 :
Any deals on super capacitor (batteryless) jump starters?
I built and ran a Maxwell supercapacitor bank in my truck instead of a battery for a while. It worked great and was very lightweight, but had the downside of dying over the course of a weekend without use. It could be recharged from 0V in seconds using a jump starter (cables didn't last long with the 100s of amps being sucked in), but in the end I never drove it enough (being a secondary vehicle) and switched to LiPo. From my quick research this may be a more practical use for supercaps...neat stuff!
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sideshowdan
Nov 29, 2021
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Quote from mutha_scratcha :
I'd go for a cheaper one from neweggs. paying over $60 is too much for jump starters.
https://www.newegg.com/p/0MD-04VT...lsrc=aw.ds
Our business has a small fleet of about 20 cars many of which get dead batteries from being underused. This brand of jump starter has proven to be worth some extra coin. Very good build quality and stamina. Long storage times result in minimal battery loss. I'm a fan.
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swgfanforlife
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Quote from dealboy12 :
On the chargers, what's a better all around model to charge car batteries, boat batteries, and the occasional smaller lawn mower starter type batteries? 5amp or 10 amp model?


For your car, it doesn't matter as much because the 10 amp will charge it fast and then while driving, your alternator will begin charging the battery and evening out the charge it has, so it's back to it's max efficiency for the batteries age.

For boats however, your using deep cycle batteries and sometimes very expensive ones at that. An Optima can cost 200+ per battery. So I actually use a 4 amp on my boat batteries because I want them to charge slower but to maximum efficiency. This way when I'm on the water and using things like the trolling motor or depth finder, the batteries will last longer on a charge and have plenty of reserve power. This 5 amp is just as good, I only chose the 4 amp because I have a different brand and they didn't have it in a 5.

I would never charge my boat batteries with a 10 amp. That fast charging is not good on the life of that deep cycle battery and to me it doesn't seem to last as long as it does when I charge it slower. If you fished every single day like maybe a pro bass fisherman, then you'd probably have to go with a 10 amp because you don't have 20 hours to let your batteries charge. I go about once a week so I like to let them charge more slowly and I don't like how hot a battery gets when on a 10 amp.
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which one would be best to jump a minivan if you're stuck on the road?
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Quote from davr :
Welcome to math: if you've got a 50 amp hour battery and use 1 amp charger...it'll take 50 hours to charge from 0% to 100%
It gets more complicated than that… I'm pretty sure charging rate is dependent on the difference in voltage which changes over time, so to get the actual time you're looking at a differential equation.

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Quote from MaverickKWS :
I built and ran a Maxwell supercapacitor bank in my truck instead of a battery for a while. It worked great and was very lightweight, but had the downside of dying over the course of a weekend without use. It could be recharged from 0V in seconds using a jump starter (cables didn't last long with the 100s of amps being sucked in), but in the end I never drove it enough (being a secondary vehicle) and switched to LiPo. From my quick research this may be a more practical use for supercaps...neat stuff!
In my Acura, I have supercaps sitting in where the battery used to be in the engine bay, and it's also connected to a 7 Ah LiFePO4 battery in the glove box. The supercaps provide the cranking power, and the battery allows the vehicle to sit for a couple weeks without going dead.

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