Ford cuts prices on electric Mustang Mach-E, More details to follow. Mods please add relevant information as needed.
https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/
2023 MUSTANG MACH-E FORMER MSRP UPDATED MSRP CHANGE
Select RWD Standard Range $46,895 $45,995 $900
Select eAWD Standard Range $49,595 $48,995 $600
California Route 1 eAWD Extended Range $63,575 $57,995 $5,580
Premium RWD Standard Range $54,975 $50,995 $3,980
Premium eAWD Standard Range $57,675 $53,995 $3,680
GT Extended Range $69,895 $63,995 $5,900
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Let me address some of the issues and the reasons for my choice because most people here have never owned either are making their own assumptions.
Tesla: Great charging network, but prices per KWH are getting so high now that gas is cheaper or its just cheaper to charge at home. Build quality is not great. I admit it. Theyre quality checks are bad and service is awful. I would go as far as saying they are one of the worst put together cars. However, the tech is great. If you plan on driving long distances, Tesla's supercharger network is unbeatable right now. Range is slightly better than MachE extended range, maybe by 20 miles.
MachE: Good build quality. Slightly less storage space than Model Y. Android auto/car play compatible (Yes Tesla doesnt have this and its a big freaken deal having your phone connect to your car). The drive on this is amazing compared to Model Y, it feels like your flying a jet with amazing aerodynamics. Range is slightly less.
Everyone has their own preference on cars. I sold my Model Y for the following reasons. I like the MachE personally because its a well built car and it is super fun to drive. If you don't believe, go to your Ford dealer and do a test drive. Go to a windy road or a long stretch and you will fall in love or feel like your in heaven. The Model Y felt more like a tugboat feel, felt like I was carrying the car. Tesla supercharging wasnt a big deal for me because honestly the prices are wild now that gas is sometimes cheaper. If you plan on driving less than 250 miles a day or week then the MachE is great. For those that say they think its not a Mustang, ok whatever, I didnt pick the name. Regardless it would smoke most Mustangs in a race. However, I noticed several "real" Mustang owners buying these and they are even complimenting mine. Seems like the only people complaining are those that never had a Mustang. In reality I felt the only thing Tesla had that was superior was their charging network, which has already began opening up to non-Tesla. Superchargers in Europe are way ahead in allowing non-Tesla so I imagine US is not far behind. Also non-Tesla chargers like EvGo and EA are cheaper. Yes they can sometimes be unreliable but over the past few months I have only seen one down whereas a year ago I saw way more not working. Also Ford has been excellent in customer service. When my MY had a problem, they gave me uber credits, thats right uber credits, no loaner. When I took my MachE in for servicing, they gave me a loaner car, which was gas, and then reimbursed me for all my gas receipts as well.
Also, Ford corporate is pissed about car dealers charging over MSRP too. Theyre coming down hard on these people. Ford has even said the dealer model will be phased out over time and is going to be a direct seller in order to cut out dealers. Already has started happening with their Lightning and MachE.
If you are truly in the market for a electric, both are great cars. I gave you the reasons why I picked the MachE. I highly recommend taking both the Model Y and MachE for a testdrive. Find the exact same road and judge for yourself. Don't listen to someone commenting on SD that never even drove either. Judge for yourself.
Try one, and ideally not the low end Chevy. Very responsive due to instant torque. No engine revving. Not the golf cart you think it is. It's iPhone vs flip phone. Also lots more space in smaller footprint due to no engine or driveshaft. Fewer moving parts and less to worry about.
Happy for you to get your wish so the bottom falls out and I pick up an Ioniq 5 at a discount.
That's quite frankly dangerous and a recipe for problems.
I lived in the Caribbean and if you didn't have a car, you had so many options to get to your destination. You had minibuses, you had actual buses that went all over the island. If you didn't like the price of a car, you could walk away. Literally. In the US, they know you need a car so they price gouge you and make you pay exorbitant loans. It's ridiculous.
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BTW, I don't like Tesla's but there are so much misinformation in this thread that it's hilarious.
Law of supply and demand only apply when there is supply and demand. When government completely destroy the supply, the demand will be shot too. So the main question is can government actually destroy the supply of ICE. Likely the people will wake up real quick when the supply of ICE close to it's end. Like when someone cut off your oxygen supply (aka suffocate you), you will wake up real quick and fight for your life (aka crazy amount of demand). If they succeed you will die (law of supply and demand is over, you are dead).
That's quite frankly dangerous and a recipe for problems.
Law of supply and demand only apply when there is supply and demand. When government completely destroy the supply, the demand will be shot too. So the main question is can government actually destroy the supply of ICE. Likely the people will wake up real quick when the supply of ICE close to it's end. Like when someone cut off your oxygen supply (aka suffocate you), you will wake up real quick and fight for your life (aka crazy amount of demand). If they succeed you will die (law of supply and demand is over, you are dead).
As with any major change, there will be a group of people that accept it, a group of people that it won't work well for, and a group of people that will focus on the negatives despite the product theoretically working for them.
The ideal electric car owner:
- Drives less than 150 miles a day
- Has a garage
- Has a level 2 charger installed
- Lives in an area with stable temperatures
- Lives in highly populated areas
People that will have issues with electric cars:
- Heavy drivers
- People that have to haul things long distances
- People that have to park in the street or in a parking lot
- People that live in extremely cold areas
- People that live in sparsely populated areas where electric infrastructure isn't available
For the later group, you aren't being forced to buy an electric car- you're just seeing the influence of people buying them because a large portion of the population is in the ideal group. Car manufacturers want to switch to all electric in 12 years or so---enough time to build more infrastructure and address the issues of the "non-ideal" electric car owner.
Electric cars work VERY well for a select group of people, and every owner I know absolutely loves theirs (one lady I know is on her 10th year with her BMW i3 this year). To say they're junk, cause more harm than good, or don't work because they don't work in your situation is blatantly false.
-You're not a heavy driver? Some days, that will definitely become the case. Or, you may get a job that requires a long commute. Or you will get kids.
-Once again, you may need to haul something a long distance, especially if you own a pickup. Once again, why buy something that can't do the job when you can buy a gas truck that can?
-Even if you have a car with a garage, at some point, you may have to drive somewhere you need to park on the street or in a parking lot. Once again, why buy a car that will inconvenience you?
- Even hot areas cause issues for the batteries.
-If you have to take your electric car to work somewhere rural or to travel and visit someone, you're going to have a bad time.
Everything about EVs seems like it's going backwards. I can't understand why people think this is the future. Worst thing is, no EV fanboy can have a debate proving these cars are superior. They just give me excuses. It's crazy.
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I think what's lost in the discussion is an honest assessment of the pros/cons, and the realization that what works for any given person might not work for everyone, and getting lost in anecdotes vs looking at the big picture.
Once you go down that path, you should be honest enough to admit you've lost the debate and concede defeat. What we're left here is marketing spin to sell a product that is not as good as its replacement.
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