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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.
When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries. Fidelity Fixed Income Page[fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond. Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries[fidelity.com]
This is true, but it doesn't make an 11-month CD at 5% a bad idea. Those HYS can change their rates at any time, but here you're guaranteed to get 5%.
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I feel ya, buddy, lol! Ever since I learned about t-bills here, I've been doing a lot of research about them and t-bill laddering in the last 24 hours, I think my brain is about to overheat. And I agree that CDs seem more simple at this point, but of course less liquid.
I just signed up with Fidelity (initially for t-bill reasons), and I am seeing a 5.25% CD 1 year there under CDs (New Issues)!!! How come nobody's talking about that? LOL. Wouldn't that be better than doing this 11 month 5% APY with Capital One?
Next weeks 4/8 week auction won't show up on Fidelity's site until like Tuesday/Wednesday.
EDIT: To put a finner point on this I doubt any brokerage firm will list a Treasury auction before its Announcement Date
Which can be found here: https://home.treasury.gov/system/...hedule.pdf
I feel ya, buddy, lol! Ever since I learned about t-bills here, I've been doing a lot of research about them and t-bill laddering in the last 24 hours, I think my brain is about to overheat. And I agree that CDs seem more simple at this point, but of course less liquid.
I just signed up with Fidelity (initially for t-bill reasons), and I am seeing a 5.25% CD 1 year there under CDs (New Issues)!!! How come nobody's talking about that? LOL. Wouldn't that be better than doing this 11 month 5% APY with Capital One?
I'm in the same boat as both of you. T-Bills are ultimately not worth *my* time/effort and I'm concentrating on pouncing on the right CD + HYSA's that historically keep up with the Jones' when it comes to rates.
I feel ya, buddy, lol! Ever since I learned about t-bills here, I've been doing a lot of research about them and t-bill laddering in the last 24 hours, I think my brain is about to overheat. And I agree that CDs seem more simple at this point, but of course less liquid.
I just signed up with Fidelity (initially for t-bill reasons), and I am seeing a 5.25% CD 1 year there under CDs (New Issues)!!! How come nobody's talking about that? LOL. Wouldn't that be better than doing this 11 month 5% APY with Capital One?
The 5.25% CD is callable, meaning that if rates drop, the CD issuer can essentially buy you out early. Also it's a brokered CD, making it harder to post a link.
Not saying it's a bad deal, I doubt it'll get called. I live in a state with state income tax, so the ~5.15% yields on T-bills are more attractive.
I'm in the same boat as both of you. T-Bills are ultimately not worth *my* time/effort and I'm concentrating on pouncing on the right CD + HYSA's that historically keep up with the Jones' when it comes to rates.
I just don't get this. It takes me a few seconds to buy T-Bills and people are acting like it's a hassle.
Maybe it's easy for me because I already have a brokerage account and have been trading stocks for decades, but I don't get what's so hard about T-Bills. Honestly, it's way more trouble to open a bank account/CD than it is to trade T-Bills if you already have a brokerage account.
schwab:
both a 3month cd ladder vs a 3month t-bill ladder gets Average APY/YTM= 4.74% for both.
but the t-bill is better because it's tax free state?
Downside:
schwab's tbills is secondary market.
for a $9947 tbill expiring 4/30/23 with apr = 4.82% (basically the 2 month t-bill rung in my ladder), i paid $10,006?!
With interest, i'm going to make +$20.
20/10006 = .2% interest for 2 months
.2% x 6 = 1.2% apr is what i'm getting?!
but the total tbill ladder is avg apr = 4.74%. How is that possible if i'm only getting 1.2% apr from the 2month tbill!?
so totally confused
If you paid $10,006 for 10 Tbills that will pay $10,000 at maturity you just lost $6. Unless the FED cuts rates by 100+ bps this month.
T-bills don't pay interest, you (are supposed to) purchase them at a discount. Any chance you bought a note/bond that just happens to be close to maturity? They would include a final interest payment at maturity.
I just don't get this. It takes me a few seconds to buy T-Bills and people are acting like it's a hassle.
Maybe it's easy for me because I already have a brokerage account and have been trading stocks for decades, but I don't get what's so hard about T-Bills. Honestly, it's way more trouble to open a bank account/CD than it is to trade T-Bills if you already have a brokerage account.
i guess for me, it's my brokerage.
schwab doesnt seem to have tbills at auction, just secondary market?
If you paid $10,006 for 10 Tbills that will pay $10,000 at maturity you just lost $6. Unless the FED cuts rates by 100+ bps this month.
T-bills don't pay interest, you (are supposed to) purchase them at a discount. Any chance you bought a note/bond that just happens to be close to maturity? They would include a final interest payment at maturity.
i needed a 2month tbill for my 3 month ladder.
i picked the highest apr tbill offered on schwab that matures in 2 months.
apparently i bought a 7yr tbill on the secondary market that matures on 4/30/23.
i think it pays 1.625% interest.
so i think i'm going to make $20 on it?
$20 profit on $10k in 2 months is waaaaaaaay less than the 4.8% apr advertised for it.
soooooo confused!
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When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.
I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k
Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.
I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD
just my 2cents
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
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I just signed up with Fidelity (initially for t-bill reasons), and I am seeing a 5.25% CD 1 year there under CDs (New Issues)!!! How come nobody's talking about that? LOL. Wouldn't that be better than doing this 11 month 5% APY with Capital One?
Next weeks 4/8 week auction won't show up on Fidelity's site until like Tuesday/Wednesday.
EDIT: To put a finner point on this I doubt any brokerage firm will list a Treasury auction before its Announcement Date
Which can be found here: https://home.treasury.g
I just signed up with Fidelity (initially for t-bill reasons), and I am seeing a 5.25% CD 1 year there under CDs (New Issues)!!! How come nobody's talking about that? LOL. Wouldn't that be better than doing this 11 month 5% APY with Capital One?
I just signed up with Fidelity (initially for t-bill reasons), and I am seeing a 5.25% CD 1 year there under CDs (New Issues)!!! How come nobody's talking about that? LOL. Wouldn't that be better than doing this 11 month 5% APY with Capital One?
Not saying it's a bad deal, I doubt it'll get called. I live in a state with state income tax, so the ~5.15% yields on T-bills are more attractive.
Maybe it's easy for me because I already have a brokerage account and have been trading stocks for decades, but I don't get what's so hard about T-Bills. Honestly, it's way more trouble to open a bank account/CD than it is to trade T-Bills if you already have a brokerage account.
Explanation [etf.com]
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both a 3month cd ladder vs a 3month t-bill ladder gets Average APY/YTM= 4.74% for both.
but the t-bill is better because it's tax free state?
Downside:
schwab's tbills is secondary market.
for a $9947 tbill expiring 4/30/23 with apr = 4.82% (basically the 2 month t-bill rung in my ladder), i paid $10,006?!
With interest, i'm going to make +$20.
20/10006 = .2% interest for 2 months
.2% x 6 = 1.2% apr is what i'm getting?!
but the total tbill ladder is avg apr = 4.74%. How is that possible if i'm only getting 1.2% apr from the 2month tbill!?
so totally confused
T-bills don't pay interest, you (are supposed to) purchase them at a discount. Any chance you bought a note/bond that just happens to be close to maturity? They would include a final interest payment at maturity.
Maybe it's easy for me because I already have a brokerage account and have been trading stocks for decades, but I don't get what's so hard about T-Bills. Honestly, it's way more trouble to open a bank account/CD than it is to trade T-Bills if you already have a brokerage account.
schwab doesnt seem to have tbills at auction, just secondary market?
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xhlf eft (6month tbill) seems like a MUCH easier way to go!
schwab doesnt seem to have tbills at auction, just secondary market?
Schwab does support tbills at auction. There is a seperate "New Issues" section below the rate chart in the Fixed Income section.
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T-bills don't pay interest, you (are supposed to) purchase them at a discount. Any chance you bought a note/bond that just happens to be close to maturity? They would include a final interest payment at maturity.
i picked the highest apr tbill offered on schwab that matures in 2 months.
apparently i bought a 7yr tbill on the secondary market that matures on 4/30/23.
i think it pays 1.625% interest.
so i think i'm going to make $20 on it?
$20 profit on $10k in 2 months is waaaaaaaay less than the 4.8% apr advertised for it.
soooooo confused!
Schwab does support tbills at auction. There is a seperate "New Issues" section below the rate chart in the Fixed Income section.
dont see tbills
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dont see tbills
Watch this: https://www.schwab.com/content/ho...treasuries