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So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.

When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.

I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k

Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.

Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.

I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD

just my 2cents
You can buy treasuries from just about any brokerage. I use Fidelity, as I like their platform and they don't charge fees/commissions for treasuries.
Fidelity Fixed Income Page [fidelity.com]
Follow the above link and scroll down to the row "U.S. Treasury." Choose the duration you want and click on it. You can then click "buy" to start a trade of a specific treasury bill/bond.
Fidelity's Intro to Treasuries [fidelity.com]
This is true, but it doesn't make an 11-month CD at 5% a bad idea. Those HYS can change their rates at any time, but here you're guaranteed to get 5%.

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W-Creative
03-06-2023 at 02:02 PM.
03-06-2023 at 02:02 PM.
There are tons of CDs with APR over 5% from Fidelity today.
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beowulf7
03-06-2023 at 03:59 PM.
03-06-2023 at 03:59 PM.
Quote from TurtlePerson2 :
1.) Do I get a better yield if buying T-Bills through Fidelity?
You'll get the same yield at auction. I don't know how secondary market treasuries work at TreasuryDirect. I saw something in one of their FAQs that you cannot sell/transfer treasuries for 45 days after buying, which indicates that there's at least some friction there.
2.) Any potential issues if buying from TreasuryDirect?
I don't know why anyone would want to use TreasuryDirect for T-bills. If you've already got a brokerage account, it's way easier to use that. I find TreasuryDirect pretty difficult to use compared to Fidelity, but I've never even tried to do secondary market T-bills on it.
3.) It should automatically handle the auction process for you. You'll see the T-bills added to your account in a day or so after the auction.


As an aside, you might find it easier to buy a T-bill ETF like XHLF. This particular ETF has very low fees and essentially behaves like a 6-month T-bill. Note that there's a little bit of a sawtooth pattern on its chart owing to the timing of dividend payments, but the ETF has varied in price between $50 and $50.20 (0.4%) over the past two years, which has otherwise been a very volatile time in treasuries. The ETF will allow you to capture a better return than 4-week or 8-week T-bills while providing the liquidity that you want.
Re: XHLF, I went on my Ally account to see how much they're selling that ETF for. I was shocked at the huge variance, as follows:
Bid: 45.25
Mid: 49.06
Ask: 52.86
EEK!
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TurtlePerson2
03-06-2023 at 07:04 PM.
03-06-2023 at 07:04 PM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Re: XHLF, I went on my Ally account to see how much they're selling that ETF for. I was shocked at the huge variance, as follows:
Bid: 45.25
Mid: 49.06
Ask: 52.86
EEK!
That's good to know. Definitely don't want to buy something that illiquid. I'll amend my previous post.

SGOV will give you 0-3 month treasury exposure, but without the liquidity problems. It'll pay less than XHLF, but at least you can buy it.
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Xellos2099
03-06-2023 at 07:14 PM.
03-06-2023 at 07:14 PM.
What does Call Protected mean? it is only on the chase 5.25% cd.
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PurplePassenger621
03-07-2023 at 05:19 AM.
03-07-2023 at 05:19 AM.
Is it safe to have a maturity of an existing bill and order a new bill with settlement on the same day as maturity? (Fidelity)
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Pi.314
03-07-2023 at 06:19 AM.
03-07-2023 at 06:19 AM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Re: XHLF, I went on my Ally account to see how much they're selling that ETF for. I was shocked at the huge variance, as follows:
Bid: 45.25
Mid: 49.06
Ask: 52.86
EEK!
were these quotes after the market closed?

for today while market is open, i see:
Bid x Size $50.06 x 100
Ask x Size $50.07 x 100

52 Week Range: 49.99 (11/02/2022) to 50.35 (10/20/2022)

edit:
Average Volume (10 days): 106,456

you might be right about liquidity EEK!
but buying $10k worth of this tbill fund is only ~200 shares
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beowulf7
03-07-2023 at 12:55 PM.
03-07-2023 at 12:55 PM.
Quote from Pi.314 :
were these quotes after the market closed?

for today while market is open, i see:
Bid x Size $50.06 x 100
Ask x Size $50.07 x 100

52 Week Range: 49.99 (11/02/2022) to 50.35 (10/20/2022)

edit:
Average Volume (10 days): 106,456

you might be right about liquidity
but buying $10k worth of this tbill fund is only ~200 shares
Yes, that's correct, after market closed. Right now, while market is open, the bid/mid/ask are almost identical (50.04/50.04/50.05) on Ally. I didn't know there's such a huge difference after the market closes.
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03-07-2023 at 12:59 PM.
03-07-2023 at 12:59 PM.
Quote from TurtlePerson2 :
That's good to know. Definitely don't want to buy something that illiquid. I'll amend my previous post.

SGOV will give you 0-3 month treasury exposure, but without the liquidity problems. It'll pay less than XHLF, but at least you can buy it.
Check out my reply above to PL314. The price difference is much larger when the market is closed vs. when it's open (as is the case as of this post).
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Vikram1964
03-07-2023 at 01:25 PM.
03-07-2023 at 01:25 PM.
Folks, most of us have seen a lot of deals like these in the recent few months. I have jumped on a few and opened new accounts. A piece of advise - make a note of all these accounts you opened xyz bank and make it available to your dear ones. This will be a god send to them in case you are gone tomorrow and they have no clue about all these accounts.
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03-07-2023 at 04:29 PM.
03-07-2023 at 04:29 PM.
Quote from Vikram1964 :
Folks, most of us have seen a lot of deals like these in the recent few months. I have jumped on a few and opened new accounts. A piece of advise - make a note of all these accounts you opened xyz bank and make it available to your dear ones. This will be a god send to them in case you are gone tomorrow and they have no clue about all these accounts.

I tell my wife about my account and I am definitely gone tomorrow 😂
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W00kie
03-08-2023 at 09:19 AM.
03-08-2023 at 09:19 AM.
Quote from Loopy07 :
Hi, I'm new with this T-Bills and was doing some reading on it. I created an account on TreasuryDirect and purchased 3 T-Bills (4-week, 8-week, and a 13-week) from TreasuryDirect last night. The process was pretty simple.

I already have a Fidelity account and just went through the exercise of buying a T-Bills on Fidelity to see if it's any easier than TreasuryDirect. I didn't see a 4-, 8, or 13-week T-Bills. I clicked on one with a maturity date of 6/27/2023 to try out. I guess this is a 3-month T-Bill. I clicked on Preview Order and it says "Your order can't be placed at this time. Fidelity does not accept orders for secondary offerings outside of normal trading hours....". It seems so much more work through Fidelity.

I just read a couple of posts about the 4- and 8-week T-Bills not available until Tuesday or Thursday on Fidelity.

My questions:
1) Do I get a better yield if buying T-Bills through Fidelity?
2) Any potential issues if buying from TreasuryDirect?
3) I placed the T-Bills orders from TreasuryDirect last night (Saturday night). The auction date for the 13-week T-Bill is tomorrow (3/6/2023). Do I actually need to do anything on the auction date?

Very much appreciate your help!!
You can't buy after hours from fidelity. That's why you got that message.
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03-08-2023 at 11:44 AM.
03-08-2023 at 11:44 AM.
Quote from mblock66 :
So I started to ladder T-Bills for the reasons everyone is stating in this thread. The rate is so volatile (in a good way) that locking into anything even 12 months is too long for me and rates continue to climb. I use fidelity and my suggestion is this.

When they offer the new 4 week and 8 week and 13 week t-bill (they auction on diff days and diff weeks) go in and buy one of each of them with whatever money you can spare. Let's use 5k for each.

I would buy a 4 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy an 8 week t-bill with NO Rollover for 5k
I would buy a 13 week t-bill WITH Rollover for 5k

Then after 4 weeks when that first on comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.
Then after 8 weeks when the second comes up, buy another 13 week t-bill with the 5k WITH Rollover.

Now you will have 3 13 week t-bills rolling every 4 weeks or so and rolling into a new one with the proceeds. This way every 4 weeks you are capturing an increasing rate and not locked into anything longer than 13 weeks. You benefit from the rate hikes, can cash out at any time, and you have state tax shelter from the earned interest.

I can almost guarantee that the above will yield you more net income (taking in tax break) at the end of 11months then the 5% locked CD

just my 2cents
I don't see rollover options even for the 13-week t-bill. Where can I find those?
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beowulf7
03-08-2023 at 01:34 PM.
03-08-2023 at 01:34 PM.
Fidelity is now showing a 12-mo. CD at 5.40%. That makes this Capital One deal even worse. shake head
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beowulf7
03-08-2023 at 01:34 PM.
03-08-2023 at 01:34 PM.
Quote from anchelus :
I don't see rollover options even for the 13-week t-bill. Where can I find those?
From TreasuryDirect's website.
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03-08-2023 at 03:11 PM.
03-08-2023 at 03:11 PM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Fidelity is now showing a 12-mo. CD at 5.40%. That makes this Capital One deal even worse. shake head
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