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SVS Subwoofers (Outlet): PB2000 500W 12" Driver $600, PB1000 300W 10" Driver

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brokebroker83
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The two users arguing back and forth, do us all a favor and take it to PMs. No cares about the pointless back and forth which has nothing to do with the deal.
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This is the same outlet pricing they run every couple of months at this point.... Usually outlet stuff are returned or scuffed or something but they're full warranty so shouldn't be a concern.... the PB2k at $599 is a terrific deal for a moderately sized space
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It's been this $599 price now for months! they made too many of them or they did not sell as many as they thought because previously when they made more of these pb's they were $499 and they sold like hot cakes. Honestly, the $599 price are not returns, they are just trying to get rid of them and by saying they are "outlets" units, they can price it $599. You can still go on there site and buy it for $699 but that is just to save face with there dealers who are mostly selling it for $699 even thou I have seen a few of them drop it down to $599 on amazon from time to time for brand new unit. That said, the Pb-2000 is a very good sub, two of them really work well in a moderate sized room! SVS Customer service is Outstanding!! This sub , however, would be even better at $499 like a few years ago!!
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Mar 12, 2023 1:49 PM
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Quote from misel00 View quoted comment :
Yup that is when I picked up my pb-12!! It was around $420 in 2018, etc w/ the ebay coupon codes. they were $499 MSRP,, Great sub to this day , still kicks! This pb-2000 is over priced at $699 that is why they are not way gone by now and they have had to do the ongoing months long "$599" outlet deal, but if you look dealers are also selling them at $599. might grab an extra one but not sure. One thing that made the pb-12 so much better was to decouple it from my hard wood floors. Never imagined it to make a big difference, But OMG, once I decoupled it , it was like I gained 20% more output and it was like a complete new sub. just remarkable...

What does it mean to "decouple it from my hard wood floors"? Is that like using the foam underneath the sub?
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A lot better.

That said- depending how open your concept is you might still be disappointed.

The story I always tell is back in the day I had a house with a big open floorplan on the first floor, open to the entire first floor, and the stairs, and a loft on 2nd floor.... then 2nd floor also had a couple of closed-off bedrooms and bathrooms.

There was a stereo system in the living room downstairs, and one of the upstairs rooms used as an office/media area.

At the time I had a Dayton Audio 12" sub....which was very well known as an excellent super-cheap sub... ($99 and most folks said you'd need to spend 5x to get something noticeably better.

But they also said it's actually worth spending a lot more for a proper home theater experience.

I was very dubious.


But...SVS had the free 45 day in home trial with free return shipping so I figured why not find out? I ordered a PB2000.


First A/B testing was downstairs in the open living room. And the SVS was noticably better. But not like jaw dropping better. CERTAINLY not many-times-the-price better. Just somewhat cleaner and maybe a touch deeper. I was underwhelmed.

But then it was trying to fill a space that if you included the stairs and 2nd floor loft was like 10,000 cubic feet.


Next I took it upstairs, to the office/media room that was only about 1600 cubic feet and did the A/B test.

That WAS jaw dropping. Incredibly so.

The best example was one of the test scenes I used was the plane crash from 2004s Flight of the Phoenix.

With the Dayton sub it sounded like a really good recording of a plane crash.

With the SVS, it felt like you were in a plane crash.

Night and day experience....and I kept (and still have to this day, though it's my secondary sub in a smaller room now) the PB2000.



But I didn't get one for downstairs....wouldn't get a much better sub that actually COULD fill a massive space for a couple more years after that (and it wasn't SVS, you can do better for less $ in that class...but you're going to be paying several grand at least, depending how huge a space you're talking)
This reads like a sponsored post.
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KnightshadeMar 12, 2023 5:32 PM
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Quote from bustaone View quoted comment :
This reads like a sponsored post.

Which is a weird read since it (and my other posts) read nothing like one.

For example I've mentioned this sub while excellent for the price in small/mid sized spaces isn't worth it for folks with larger spaces and higher end needs... in fact I make that exact point in the post you quote- discouraging buying this product if you're trying to get great bass in a large open area and explaining a buyer of this product might be disappointed in the purchase if doing so- and that I ended up needing a DIFFERENT product to actually work well in the larger space. (not something even from this same company- whose higher end stuff is overpriced for its performance, whereas this item offers good performance for the price if you're properly sizing the job)


I also mentioned in one of the first posts of the thread this was not any special rush-out-last-chance deal as they run this sale every couple months.




Quote from brokebroker83 View quoted comment :
What does it mean to "decouple it from my hard wood floors"? Is that like using the foam underneath the sub?

Yup- something like this which is generic from a 3rd party-
https://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Ac...B00COVEJ1E

Or SVS makes their own "SoundPath Subwoofer Isolation System" that uses little round kinda "feet" instead of a big mat if you prefer that




Note you can almost certainly make your own isolation pad cheaper...and there's considerable debate on if these are genuinely useful or not.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/...t.1461596/

That's a 100+ post thread on avsforum for example with known folks like Bill Fitzmaurice and Jim Wilson on opposite sides of the topic.


Bill essentially saying "I measured the output of the sub both ways and it makes no difference" and Jim saying "I'm not arguing the sub sounds better- but it's a fact less random stuff in my house vibrates when the sub plays now"

Everyone seems to agree that if it's useful at all it's more useful on non-carpeted floors if that's any help.
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Quote from turnne View quoted comment :
Good..as I stated before you are the only one I know that has experience with both that says they prefer Audyssey

BTW...the same source shows the Denon X3800 as " not recommenced"
It did not do well in several tests either
I would point out the 3800 did clearly measure better than the Onkyo/Pioneer.

So if you believe the Onkyo/Pioneer are "great pre/pros"…… 🤷🏻 ♂️
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Quote from supermanrob View quoted comment :
I would point out the 3800 did clearly measure better than the Onkyo/Pioneer.

So if you believe the Onkyo/Pioneer are "great pre/pros"…… 🤷🏻 ♂️
No, it did not in some areas..reading the results the Denon X3800 was beaten by the Onkyo/Pioneer in certain areas

But to your point....both of them are in the " not recommended " group...nod

I do think the Onkyo/Pioneer is a great pre/pro for the price
Always have said exactly that
If that was my budget for a pre/pro..it would be a no brainer at this point
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Quote from turnne View quoted comment :
No, it did not in some areas..reading the results the Denon X3800 was beaten by the Onkyo/Pioneer in certain areas

But to your point....both of them are in the " not recommended " group...nod

I do think the Onkyo/Pioneer is a great pre/pro for the price
Always have said exactly that
If that was my budget for a pre/pro..it would be a no brainer at this point
Reading those results as a "pre/pro" the 3800 is a overall a "better" pre/pro.

So they are "similar" but you "prefer" the less "better" because it's its not "worth" the price. 🤔
Well fancy that!
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Quote from supermanrob View quoted comment :
Reading those results as a "pre/pro" the 3800 is a overall a "better" pre/pro.

So they are "similar" but you "prefer" the less "better" because it's its not "worth" the price. 🤔
Well fancy that!
No..that is not what the results say...Similar?....Not sure I would say that more than I would say their results are different..according to the authority you had linked
The Onkyo/Pioneer has poor amp results
The Denon X3800 has poor build quality /design

Both " not recommended" but for different reasons

You buy a separate amp if you go Onkyo/Pioneer. If budget constained I would use one of your examples and that is to look at the used market
You can get a great multichannnel amp( B&K, Rotel, harman, Sherbourn, Carver etc etc) to name a few for $400-600 that will easily outperform any sub $3500 AVR on the market today

With the Denon..you still have to pay the Dirac fees..you can't fix the design/build quality issues and and its internal amps cant even come close to any of the amps performance I just listed

So...similar?....I think not..Smilie
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Quote from turnne View quoted comment :
No..that is not what the results say...Similar?....Not sure I would say that more than I would say their results are different..according to the authority you had linked
The Onkyo/Pioneer has poor amp results
The Denon X3800 has poor build quality /design

Both " not recommended" but for different reasons

You buy a separate amp if you go Onkyo/Pioneer. If budget constained I would use one of your examples and that is to look at the used market
You can get a great multichannnel amp( B&K, Rotel, harman, Sherbourn, Carver etc etc) to name a few for $400-600 that will easily outperform any sub $3500 AVR on the market today

With the Denon..you still have to pay the Dirac fees..you can't fix the design/build quality issues and and its internal amps cant even come close to any of the amps performance I just listed

So...similar?....I think not..Smilie
"Both not recommended" sounds like "similar" to me.

Those "poor amps" continue to drive full power as a processor which is not a good thing, those results show why.

Everyone I know that want to use an AVR as a processor always ask to be able to turn off the internal amps for that very reason.

The 3800 can do that!

As those results show no external amp will not change that significant "different" disadvantage. 🤷🏻 ♂️
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Quote from supermanrob View quoted comment :
"Both not recommended" sounds like "similar" to me.

Those "poor amps" continue to drive full power as a processor which is not a good thing, those results show why.

Everyone I know that want to use an AVR as a processor always ask to be able to turn off the internal amps for that very reason.

The 3800 can do that!

As those results show no external amp will not change that significant "different" disadvantage. 🤷🏻 ♂️
Similar in that they are both " not recommended"
That is correct..but they receive the ratings for different reasons...nod

An external amp will most definitely change the results ...such as I suggested in that scenario I pointed out before
Years ago I used an external amp with an AVR and it performed great for a few years

How would you change the design/build quality of the X3800 so that it performs better and changes its " not recommended " status?

Other than not even considering it in the first place..I dont see a way around that...Confused
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Quote from turnne View quoted comment :
Similar in that they are both " not recommended"
That is correct..but they receive the ratings for different reasons...nod

An external amp will most definitely change the results ...such as I suggested in that scenario I pointed out before
Years ago I used an external amp with an AVR and it performed great for a few years

How would you change the design/build quality of the X3800 so that it performs better and changes its " not recommended " status?

Other than not even considering it in the first place..I dont see a way around that...Confused
Those links disagree with you, again they explain why.

The results and reviews as a "pre/pro" includes an external amp, clearly doesn't "change it"! 🤔

As I mentioned there is a reason everyone ask to shut off internal amps, when you can't it's a disadvantage.
If that's incorrect shows us where it says it isn't?

No need to change Denon design, I and many many others prefer it.
I and many many others have been using Denon for many many years with no quality issues!

Again regarding the "reasons" results as a "pre/pro" the 3800 is BETTER than Onkyo/Pioneer.

I'm just the messenger but I do agree! 🤷🏻 ♂️
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Quote from supermanrob View quoted comment :
Those links disagree with you, again they explain why.

The results and reviews as a "pre/pro" includes an external amp, clearly doesn't "change it"! 🤔

As I mentioned there is a reason everyone ask to shut off internal amps, when you can't it's a disadvantage.
If that's incorrect shows us where it says it isn't?

No need to change Denon design, I and many many others prefer it.
I and many many others have been using Denon for many many years with no quality issues!

Again regarding the "reasons" results as a "pre/pro" the 3800 is BETTER than Onkyo/Pioneer.

I'm just the messenger but I do agree! 🤷🏻 ♂️
I have not seen " everyone ask to turn off internal amps"....
Links to that..or is that speculation again?

The Denon X3800 ..quite frankly fails a myriad of tests from a source that you have provided links to as a litmus test of performance...due to design and build quality issues related to standardized testing

And I am just the messenger of that information....nod
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Quote from turnne View quoted comment :
I have not seen " everyone ask to turn off internal amps"....
Links to that..or is that speculation again?

The Denon X3800 ..quite frankly fails a myriad of tests from a source that you have provided links to as a litmus test of performance...due to design and build quality issues related to standardized testing

And I am just the messenger of that information....nod
You left off "for a reason", it's an advantage, not speculation its a "fact".

Regarding the ONE myriad on which is a BETTER "pre/pro" the 3800 wins that's not speculation ,those are "facts" also.🤷🏻 ♂️
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Quote from supermanrob View quoted comment :
You left off "for a reason", it's an advantage, not speculation its a "fact".

Regarding the ONE myriad on which is a BETTER "pre/pro" the 3800 wins that's not speculation ,those are "facts" also.🤷🏻 ♂️
Those are clearly facts that you cannot seem to show it seems...those have been called " alternative facts" most recently I think..nod

You have stated you have experience with the " majority of Best Buy employees", so I cannot speak from a level of experience of over 50,000 people


However..I guess I travel in the circle and know people that are most concerned with better sound quality as their prime motivator for selection

So the tested/actual/published figures for jitter, distortion and noise floor for the Denon X3800 , making it a " not recommended" piece would be a concern and one that I dont know how you would fix

In fact , according to the test evaluator, the X3800 showed a step backward " regression " in factual testing results then went further on to explain the concerns with design and build quality

Buy hey...you you do...Smilie
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Quote from kdupuis77 View quoted comment :
Absolutely the way to do it! One will sound great for now and save you hassle of trying to upgrade via SVS (or sell the PB1000s) later and when you can add the 2nd PB2000 it rock your socks off! They've always got a deal like this going every month or two it seems. If you can reach for the 2nd one now, you can also get the extra 5% off with code GODUAL on their website. I replaced 2x Klipsch R-10SWs w/ a pair of the PB2000s and holy good lord are they amazing in my small dedicated home theater room! I'm fortunate WAF (These are nearly end-table sized beasts lol) was a non-issue with the dedicated room on the other side of the house haha. Do it man, you will not regret it!
I will , thnaks.

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Would it be any benefit to get pro models instead? If you're planning on you DIRAC anyways?
I have both and prefer the original.

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