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Dell Inspiron 14 5425 Laptop: 14" FHD+ IPS, Ryzen 7 5825U, 16GB DDR4, 512GB PCIe SSD, Win11H @ $549.99 + F/S

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  • Aluminium exterior shell, Platinum Silver
  • Windows 11 Home
  • 14" 1920x1200 60 Hz 250-nits IPS, 45% NTSC
  • Ryzen 7 5825U 8C/16T 2 GHz (4.5 GHz Boost, 20MB Cache)
  • AMD Vega 8 Graphics @ 2000 MHz
  • 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 3200 MHz Ram
  • 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
  • Titan Gray Backlit Keyboard
  • Fingerprint Reader in Power Button
  • 1080p Webcam
  • 2 Watt x 2 Speakers
  • MediaTek Wi-Fi 6 MT7921 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.2
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A ports
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 Type-C with Power Delivery and Display Port
    • 1x Headset jack
    • 1x HDMI 1.4 port
    • 1x SD Card Reader
  • 4 Cell 54 WHr Battery
  • 3.4 lbs
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Spec:
  • Aluminium exterior shell, Platinum Silver
  • Windows 11 Home
  • 14" 1920x1200 60 Hz 250-nits IPS, 45% NTSC
  • Ryzen 7 5825U 8C/16T 2 GHz (4.5 GHz Boost, 20MB Cache)
  • AMD Vega 8 Graphics @ 2000 MHz
  • 16GB (8GBx2) DDR4 3200 MHz Ram
  • 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD
  • Titan Gray Backlit Keyboard
  • Fingerprint Reader in Power Button
  • 1080p Webcam
  • 2 Watt x 2 Speakers
  • MediaTek Wi-Fi 6 MT7921 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.2
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A ports
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2x1 Type-C with Power Delivery and Display Port
    • 1x Headset jack
    • 1x HDMI 1.4 port
    • 1x SD Card Reader
  • 4 Cell 54 WHr Battery
  • 3.4 lbs

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Apr 21, 2023 10:05 PM
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HaloFansApr 21, 2023 10:05 PM
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I don't see where the specs say IPS screen. It says WVA, which looks like wide viewing angle or wide vertical alignment display. What is it?
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Ps3RulesApr 21, 2023 11:26 PM
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Quote from HaloFans :
I don't see where the specs say IPS screen. It says WVA, which looks like wide viewing angle or wide vertical alignment display. What is it?
IPS is a type of WVA panel. This is according to Dell's website: https://www.delltechnologies.com/...epaper.pdf
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HaloFansApr 21, 2023 11:30 PM
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IPS is a type of WVA panel.
Source?

Edit: I saw the linked Latitude pamphlet. Hmm. So, Dell's marketing uses it. That's confusing. There should be some legal binding to this. Otherwise, it makes comparison a headache.

What does Dell advertise its desktop monitors then? WVA? Desktop monitors says IPS, not WVA: https://www.dell.com/en-us/lp/ips-monitors

Why the word salad mix up?
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Good deal.. combined with amex 120 off 600 to make it slick
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Quote from HaloFans :
Source?

Edit: I saw the linked Latitude pamphlet. Hmm. So, Dell's marketing uses it. That's confusing. There should be some legal binding to this. Otherwise, it makes comparison a headache.

What does Dell advertise its desktop monitors then? WVA? Desktop monitors says IPS, not WVA: https://www.dell.com/en-us/lp/ips-monitors

Why the word salad mix up?
Do a little bit of research rather than throwing a tantrum. IPS is a naming given by LG and can only be used in panels developed by them or companies, license manufacturing using their technology.
Any other Companies' developed similar technologies, like panels made by Samsung (PLS), AU Optronics (AHVA), can't use the term IPS Directly. And this is a well established fact for years, not just today and a lot of other companies like HP or Asus use similar terms like IPS Type display.
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slickwerty35Apr 22, 2023 03:10 AM
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If this had a touchscreen like the 5625, this would've been a perfect fit for me, but solid price nonetheless ($100 more for 2 more cores and 8GB more RAM).
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HaloFansApr 22, 2023 03:40 AM
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Do a little bit of research rather than throwing a tantrum. IPS is a naming given by LG and can only be used in panels developed by them or companies, license manufacturing using their technology.
Any other Companies' developed similar technologies, like panels made by Samsung (PLS), AU Optronics (AHVA), can't use the term IPS Directly. And this is a well established fact for years, not just today and a lot of other companies like HP or Asus use similar terms like IPS Type display.
No tantrum thrown here. Asking questions is not throwing a tantrum.

Source? I looked at the Costco Acer Vero (https://slickdeals.net/f/16573571-costco-acer-aspire-vero-14-laptop-12th-gen-intel-core-i5-1235u-1080p-windows-11-laptop-for-450) , and it says IPS. Uses Innolux (https://laptopmedia.com/review/ac...-av14-51/) , which clearly is not LG, and that description is IPS.

There's a notebookcheck review, but clearly it uses a different panel (267-292 nits). https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...501.0.html
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If this had a touchscreen like the 5625, this would've been a perfect fit for me, but solid price nonetheless ($100 more for 2 more cores and 8GB more RAM).
I think it's better without the touchscreen though it's unclear if this screen is glossy or matte. Most (if not all) touchscreens are glossy, which is annoying with reflections. Touchscreens add weight and reduce battery life.

Full size SD Card reader is a nice touch.

Bottom panel is mostly accessible.

RAM sticks are removable.

Wi-Fi Card is okay though needs an upgrade to an Intel card.
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No tantrum thrown here. Asking questions is not throwing a tantrum.

Source? I looked at the Costco Acer Vero (https://slickdeals.net/f/16573571-costco-acer-aspire-vero-14-laptop-12th-gen-intel-core-i5-1235u-1080p-windows-11-laptop-for-450) , and it says IPS. Uses Innolux (https://laptopmedia.com/review/ac...-av14-51/) [laptopmedia.com] , which clearly is not LG, and that description is IPS.

There's a notebookcheck review, but clearly it uses a different panel (267-292 nits). https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...501.0.html [notebookcheck.net]

I think it's better without the touchscreen though it's unclear if this screen is glossy or matte. Most (if not all) touchscreens are glossy, which is annoying with reflections. Touchscreens add weight and reduce battery life.

Full size SD Card reader is a nice touch.

Bottom panel is mostly accessible.

RAM sticks are removable.

Wi-Fi Card is okay though needs an upgrade to an Intel card.
Read my post again what I said because looks like that you just wat to argue. "IPS is a naming given by LG and can only be used in panels developed by them or companies, license manufacturing using their technology."
LG apart from manufacturing panels, licese that to several vendors for manufacturing to meet the huge demand of panels and be present in different demograpghy.

In fact, the innolux Panel you're referring, that also has a name called "AAS" but it is based on LG's IPS technology.

Unlike the coomon conception that IPS is the name of the technology, it is just a marketing name used 1st by LG which represents a set of tecnologies for Display, enable it to provide Wide viewing angle, true 8 bit or higher color depth and higher color gamut volume than TN panels. It is similar to Apple's marketing term for Retina display which is just a marketing name for their devices panel with high pixel density.

Now different companies have developed their own set of technogies to achive the same goal but the IPS name is more comon and now used as a generic term. Samsung's PLS, AU Optronics AHVA, BOE's ADS all are equivalent to IPS and use their own implementation. If you want to use the name IPS, then you probably need to pay LG patent fees or use their technology to manufacture their panel.
In fact, the review you pointed out from Notebookcheck, which clearly mentioned this so called WVA panel for which you're having so hard time, as IPS.

The Dell model uses BOE NV14N42 Panel which BOE calls as ADS Screen. If you really want to know, below is the in-depth details of the ADS panel.
https://ultran.ru/sites/default/f..._ads_0.pdf
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Quote from Suryasis :
Read my post again what I said because looks like that you just wat to argue. "IPS is a naming given by LG and can only be used in panels developed by them or companies, license manufacturing using their technology."
LG apart from manufacturing panels, licese that to several vendors for manufacturing to meet the huge demand of panels and be present in different demograpghy.

In fact, the innolux Panel you're referring, that also has a name called "AAS" but it is based on LG's IPS technology.

Unlike the coomon conception that IPS is the name of the technology, it is just a marketing name used 1st by LG which represents a set of tecnologies for Display, enable it to provide Wide viewing angle, true 8 bit or higher color depth and higher color gamut volume than TN panels. It is similar to Apple's marketing term for Retina display which is just a marketing name for their devices panel with high pixel density.

Now different companies have developed their own set of technogies to achive the same goal but the IPS name is more comon and now used as a generic term. Samsung's PLS, AU Optronics AHVA, BOE's ADS all are equivalent to IPS and use their own implementation. If you want to use the name IPS, then you probably need to pay LG patent fees or use their technology to manufacture their panel.

The Dell model uses BOE NV14N42 Panel which BOE calls as ADS Screen. If you really want to know, below is the in-depth details of the ADS panel.
Don't know who is downvoting you, but OK. That was helpful. I didn't realize there was politics behind using the term IPS.

So technically, IPS screens not manufactured by LG should be labeled "IPS-like" as I found leaked slides here. Look at slide 5 where it says Azimuthal Anchoring Switch: https://www.slideshare.net/ChrisB...ay-roadmap

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In fact, the review you pointed out from Notebookcheck, which clearly mentioned this so called WVA panel for which you're having so hard time, as IPS.
That review measures a panel higher than 250 nits. Is a 250 nits panel rated exactly max then or what am I missing for the computer you posted?

There's been bait and switch in some reviews like the HP Aero 13 where the chasis returned to plastic instead of some Magnesium alloy that was passed along to influencers.
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Don't know who is downvoting you, but OK. That was helpful. I didn't realize there was politics behind using the term IPS.

So technically, IPS screens not manufactured by LG should be labeled "IPS-like" as I found leaked slides here. Look at slide 5 where it says Azimuthal Anchoring Switch: https://www.slideshare.net/ChrisB...ay-roadmap [slideshare.net]


That review measures a panel higher than 250 nits. Is a 250 nits panel rated exactly max then or what am I missing for the computer you posted?

There's been bait and switch in some reviews like the HP Aero 13 where the chasis returned to plastic instead of some Magnesium alloy that was passed along to influencers.
That display brightness is a common thing, no two display can be exactly same due to semiconductor lottery and there can be some deviation to its stated specs. That's why display manufacturers normally states a specification which is always met but any specific panel can be better than that. For example, HP Omen 16" 2560x1400 165Hz panels are rated 300 watts but if you check any reviews, you'll find that they are always going around 330 nits and some even topping at 370 nits.

And regarding Aero 13, it is magnesium alloy alright. Unlike Aluminum, Magnesium Alloy is softer in touch and gives a bit plasticky feeling which a lot of reviewers, without experience of such chassis, considered as plastic. However, magnesium alloy is much durable that alluminum alloy and doesn't bend or scratch as quickly as Aluminum
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That display brightness is a common thing, no two display can be exactly same due to semiconductor lottery and there can be some deviation to its stated specs. That's why display manufacturers normally states a specification which is always met but any specific panel can be better than that. For example, HP Omen 16" 2560x1400 165Hz panels are rated 300 watts but if you check any reviews, you'll find that they are always going around 330 nits and some even topping at 370 nits.
Hmm OK. Much like binning chips (CPUs, GPUs, RAM, SoCs), there can be variance. Thanks!

I've been looking at a bunch of Ryzen computers for over an year now, but they've been all so disappointing from the AMD side of things.

This one is close, but I'd prefer to have AV1 decoding support. It looks good for everything else though. Maybe another nvme slot for a second SSD would make it better, but this one only has one.

Seems weird none of Dell's business mid/upper class notebooks have AMD APUs.
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And regarding Aero 13, it is magnesium alloy alright. Unlike Aluminum, Magnesium Alloy is softer in touch and gives a bit plasticky feeling which a lot of reviewers, without experience of such chassis, considered as plastic. However, magnesium alloy is much durable that alluminum alloy and doesn't bend or scratch as quickly as Aluminum
I read in some places where they got a plastic build instead of Magnesium Alloy. Just seems disappointing to see something that was advertised not to be it.

I also wanted that computer, but the hard to tear maintenance hatch and sudden temperature spikes to 100 degrees Celsius + expanding swollen batteries scared me away.
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Hmm OK. Much like binning chips (CPUs, GPUs, RAM, SoCs), there can be variance. Thanks!

I've been looking at a bunch of Ryzen computers for over an year now, but they've been all so disappointing from the AMD side of things.

This one is close, but I'd prefer to have AV1 decoding support. It looks good for everything else though. Maybe another nvme slot for a second SSD would make it better, but this one only has one.

Seems weird none of Dell's business mid/upper class notebooks have AMD APUs.

I read in some places where they got a plastic build instead of Magnesium Alloy. Just seems disappointing to see something that was advertised not to be it.

I also wanted that computer, but the hard to tear maintenance hatch and sudden temperature spikes to 100 degrees Celsius + expanding swollen batteries scared me away.
I am not sure what reviews you checked or what are the laptops you have considered earlier but most of the AMD Ultrabooks run pretty cooler and far better than any Intel's current generation Processors, due to far efficient manufacturing node and optimized design. There are plenty of Ultrabooks you can consider with AMD processor from various brands, including Dell, Acer, lenovo or HP.
And regarding reviews, try to check proper reviews from reputed sites like Notebookcheck.net, Ultrabookreview, Jarrod's Tech, Mobiletechreview, Matthew Moniz, Hardware Canucks etc.

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