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expired Posted by Kenr • Apr 25, 2023
Apr 25, 2023 2:59 PM
Monoprice 1x12 Celestion Vintage 30 speaker cabinet $168
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I bought it there as i can pick the delivery day to successfully hide large purchases from my wife
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I WAS WRONG: It was $190. Not bad for $20 more than the cab alone:. Here it is:
https://slickdeals.net/share/android_app/fp/822137
https://www.monoprice.c
I WAS WRONG: It was $190. Not bad for $20 more than the cab alone:. Here it is:
https://slickdeals.net/share/android_app/fp/822137
https://www.monoprice.c
With an Electric guitar then If you do not have a V30 then get this cab + V30 at $168! No brainier. Unless all you need is the MP 15W combo (it's speaker is fine) and doing the all-in-one, practice(whisper) to stage rock performance, combo thing; to reduce expenses.
This cab is nicely built strong, fine materials to the touch and has the preferred sized sound qualities at just 20lbs. Also works great with a head amp or good amp without 12" guitar optimized mid-range voiced speaker. The main tone element is the speaker!
Remember the combo is optimized for 20lbs all in for $200. It's sounds about 99% as perfect as this cab with classic V30. Realistically. Now that maybe 1% difference depends on each persons ear; but a regular audience will not hear ANY difference. These differences are for the player. Better to practice than split these hairs.
OPTIONAL:
Inexpensive multi effects pedal/box can step-up the already good range of clean to high gain tones with modern DSP for more exacting matches and added effects. Wah/volume and rif Looper boxes are usually separate options.
Even smart phones (desktops, laptops, old basement/garage-sale audio equipment, Karoke machines, etc can be used for just practice today. So there is no need for a combo amp that only does practice alone. a Celestion or matching 12" guitar speaker and good poweer amp (tube or not) is the core and best for portability when needed. Favorite Pedal users can add them; but a multi effects pedal with rechargeable power, noise cut, boost, and numerous IR's combinations for pre amps(gain/tone ranges) and cab tones (Sets of PA, cab, speaker, mics, IR/EQ patterns) is most efficient. The (Optional) Cube Baby FX pedal is under $40. On Wish, etc...YMMV. It adds modern digital features to all tube amps, like USB connection etc...
Tube amp or other are both fine. The MP 15W has a surprising range of clean to gain tones all by itself. It's fine by itself; but the Cube Baby, for example lets you dial-in (Simple knobs in Manual mode, just like the MP15W) for an even more precise, song matching guitar tone plus it's mutil effects. With the better tone matching FX. Then the main all-tube difference is a little more range of control, while playing softly to playing hard. It's just interesting to hear what the DSP is actually emulating. Certain newer DSP today is more than close enough, and the Cube Baby even has tube emulated Feedback adjustment. With it's own slightly less range for playing soft to hard. Perfectly fine by its self; but is pre amp, so needs a power amp and guitar speaker (or powered FRFR, if you already have.) A 12" Celestion type (select) guitar speaker is best IMHO. That depends on what you're doing. Like use a KB amp (like an FRFR) for keyboard generally and bass amp for bass etc...
It's a world of good emulation and can be your computer then mixed with original analog type instruments and parts like amplifiers and speakers(and mics). And multi inputs instrument(if a lot), USB, DI (Direct input) boxes. But drums and Keyboard can for example be fully computerized and free with an OS and daily PROGRESSING apps like on(easy)Linuxmint(with Mate version is best) then gives you. Not deleting your MS Windows or Mac OS; but a separate, NATIVE dual boot install. Internet and a newish computer, and mucking with the best (Jack control app) latency setting match(once for your computer) is required. Virtual patching/mixing too; after using LINE-IN (By USB DI input box or Cube Baby), and never the scratchy computer's mic-in port. Then a world of free and open apps are at your finger tips. Without tier restriction costs or ads. A boon for creators. Make your own songs, do every instrument part, or use it to play along with your own band in a box. All muti-effects(FX's), loopers, synths, drums, etc...
But having the Cube Baby and with a combo amp (and/or cab and head) makes all the phone/computer complexity OPTIONAL. Minus mainly the looper; which can be a pedal(requiring it's power though) too.
With an Electric guitar then If you do not have a V30 then get this cab + V30 at $168! No brainier. Unless all you need is the MP 15W combo (it's speaker is fine) and doing the all-in-one, practice(whisper) to stage rock performance, combo thing; to reduce expenses.
This cab is nicely built strong, fine materials to the touch and has the preferred sized sound qualities at just 20lbs. Also works great with a head amp or good amp without 12" guitar optimized mid-range voiced speaker. The main tone element is the speaker!
OPTIONAL:
Inexpensive multi effects pedal/box can step-up the already good range of clean to high gain tones with modern DSP for more exacting matches and added effects. Wah/volume and rif Looper boxes are usually separate options.
Even smart phones (desktops, laptops, old basement/garage-sale audio equipment, Karoke machines, etc can be used for just practice today. So there is no need for a combo amp that only does practice alone. a Celestion or matching 12" guitar speaker and good power amp (tube or not) is the core and best for portability when needed. Favorite Pedal users can add them; but a multi effects pedal with rechargeable power, noise cut, boost, and numerous IR's combinations for pre amps(gain/tone ranges) and cab tones (Sets of PA, cab, speaker, mics, IR/EQ patterns) is most efficient. The (Optional) Cube Baby FX pedal is under $40. On Wish, etc...YMMV. It adds modern digital features to all tube amps, like USB connection etc...
Tube amp or other are both fine. The MP 15W has a surprising range of clean to gain tones all by itself. It's fine by itself; but the Cube Baby, for example lets you dial-in (Simple knobs in Manual mode, just like the MP15W) for an even more precise, song matching guitar tone plus it's mutil effects. With the better tone matching FX than the main all-tube difference is a little more range of control playing softly to hard and it's just interesting to hear what the DSP is actually emulating. Certain newer DSP today is more than close enough, and the Cube Baby even has tube emulated Feedback adjustment. With it's own slightly less range for playing soft to hard. Perfectly fine by its self; but is pre amp, so needs a power amp and guitar speaker (or powered FRFR, if you already have.) A 12" Celestion type (select) guitar speaker is best IMHO. That depends on what you're doing. Like use a KB amp (like an FRFR) for keyboard generally and bass amp for bass etc...
It's a world of good emulation and can be your computer then mixed with original analog type instruments and parts like amplifiers and speakers(and mics). And multi inputs instrument(if a lot), USB, DI (Direct input) boxes. But drums and Keyboard can for example be fully computerized and free with an OS and daily PROGRESSING apps like on(easy)Linuxmint(with Mate version is best) then gives you. Not deleting your MS Windows or Mac OS; but a separate, NATIVE dual boot install. Internet and a newish computer, and mucking with the best (Jack control app) latency setting match(once for your computer) is required. Virtual patching/mixing too; after using LINE-IN (By USB DI input box or Cube Baby), and never the scratchy computer's mic-in port. Then a world of free and open apps are at your finger tips. Without tier restriction costs or ads. A boon for creators. Make your own songs, do every instrument part, or use it to play along with your own band in a box. All muti-effects(FX's), loopers, synths, drums, etc...
But having the Cube Baby and with a combo amp (and/or cab and head) makes all the phone/computer complexity OPTIONAL. Minus mainly the looper; which can be a pedal(requiring it's power though) too.
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The great speaker in the 15W combo is highly underrated; thus a bargain. Ignore Internet snobs who down the 70/80 speaker. It's model number (one letter different) and more importantly EXACT design specs output perfectly match the famous Celestion speaker that used to come in Mesa cabinets. And the newer productions (Like the V30) are NOT really noticeably different, (if they have the same cone cap, and similar glue technically). Even where 12" guitar speaker ARE noticeably different it is slight and only heard by AB sound tests. Where often not done scientifically with good control. It's too easy to hear what you want to hear so blind tests are required.
Plus what causes argument is technically gain and EQ needs to be matched (with everything else, like cab and room) for different speaker efficiencies(volumes).
Mainly a big ole magnet or equivalent strength for some paper pumping. That what the signal to the speaker does to it, via the (electro)magnet resistance per signal strength.
Of course I like classic (Including ROCK) song (Guitar speaker nuance) matching. You don't have to. The (most) differences come out at high gain. Even then it's small changes making a big difference to a discerning AB compared ear. Different in a mix also.
Be aware; most YouTube fine tone/gain comparisons (requiring fine headphones or monitors) seem to do some things right; but FAIL good control comparisons. Like not playing the exact same riff via looper, not human changing it. And YouTube compresses the sound compared to live. Depends on their mic(s), positioning etc... You can get an idea but check in a music store or with friends FIRST before buying.
Matching: Basically; match the ohms to 8 or 16 (as rated). Don'
t sweat it. The MP 15W combo is 8 or 16 ohms automatic(at the ext jack).
While complex parallel or serial connections method may come into play with 2 or more speakers the bottom line is use 8 ohms for ONE speaker and 16 ohm speakers for two.
Anything else will just give you a headache. And now-a-days it's easy to emulate a 2x12 or 4x12 with one speaker and good IR (Image Response) setting.
If you have an amp head then follow manufacture instructions carefully. If buying an amp head the understand and consider it's ohm connection options FIRST. Basically you never want the SPEAKERS ohms of resistance lower than the amp is made for (Usually 8 or 16 or switchable). The amp would blow, without it's designed resistance (system impedance) load connected. And that is easy to get confused.
Not all the combinations you can wire safely, to match impedance are optimal. Even when technically correct and safe.
There a charts to help; but remember all scientifically safe connections are not recommended as best either. Then there's stereo.
TLDR: Any time you add speakers (in series) it halves the speakers total impedance and if that easily becomes lower than your amp is made then boom eventually.
Amp multiplies signal and with it heat. If the the speaker or group is less impedance than the amps lowest then the heat can ruin the amp.
If the speaker or group gets more cranked watts than rated then the speaker can over heat. Two (classic) 25W speakers could handle 50W.
Sound differences between 8ohm and 16 ohms are far less than other issues and not significant. EQ and volume can easily match differences. Any robust system is not usually going to need more volume; but less.
Multiple speakers can be louder. Otherwise their comb filtering effects can be easily emulated. As can frequency response curves, by in large and given the range limits. How much do you need to carry? And remember an electric guitar is a mid range instrument. Pro editing would clip the lowest bass and ice picky highs; to fit in the mix with the band.
You can do all analog; but then have limited flexibility for other tones; without numerous duplicate systems or switched parts. I recommend blending all tubes and some DSP for any tone; on one manageable, affordable system.
The great speaker in the 15W combo is highly underrated; thus a bargain. Ignore Internet snobs who down the 70/80 speaker. It's model number and more importantly EXACT design specs perfectly match the famous Celestion speaker that used to come in Mesa cabinets. And the newer productions (Like the V30) are NOT really noticeably different, (if they have the same cone cap, and similar glue technically). Even where 12" guitar speaker ARE noticeably different it is slight and only heard by AB sound tests. Where often not done scientifically with good control. It's too easy to hear what you want to hear so blind tests are required.
Plus what causes argument is technically gain and EQ needs to be matched (with everything else, like cab and room) for different speaker efficiencies(volumes).
Mainly a big ole magnet or equivalent strength for some paper pumping. That what the signal to the speaker does to it, via the (electro)magnet resistance per signal strength.
Of course I like classic (Including ROCK) song (Gutar speaker nuance) matching. You don't have to. The (most) differences come out at high gain. Even then it's small changes making a big difference to a discerning AB compared ear. Different in a mix also.
Be aware the most Youtube, fine comparisons (requiring fine headphones or monitors) seem to do some things righ; but FAIL good control comparisons. Like not playing the exact same riff via looper, not human changing it. And youtube compresses the sound compared to live. Depends on their mic(s), positioning etc... You can get an idea but check in a music store or with friends FIRST before buying.
Two 8 ohm speakers from two 1x12's would have to be wired in parallel (often accidentally left unconnected for 0 ohms and amp damaging heat) and be 16ohms total if a 16ohms option on the amp.
Wiring and ohms is not how you get different tone sounds, by in large. Changing or mixing speaker models (of same ohms) is how you effect the most tonal differences (without EQ, digital IR's, DSP and etc...) Where small changes can make a difference.
It's always important to remember some things do not have to be all or nothing. [Some do].
Both tubes (or solid state) and newer digital mixed is best. And something like a $200 all tube amp combo and $40 multi FX pedal is the best of both world. And keeping the most future changing parts under $40. And the all tube amp likely the lowest cost and fixable in the event of any problems.
And you probably know a classic 4x12 used both serial and parallel inside.They were mono. Stereo is different in the wiring and costs. Cool; but not guitar amp necessary.
And you know the amp (etc...) is part of the electric guitar instrument.
The combinations are endless; so I tried to major on the majors here. No worries.
Warning: Do not connect a power amps full speaker-out directly into another amp's input. It is not line-level governed output.
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1. If for some reason you could only do classic analog amps; it is important to understand the original amp/head's (now emulated) did not do thier gain loading stuff until played way to loud. So you would want a newer rendition of the classic. Even in about 15W to play from whisper quiet to as loud as you'll ever likely need(before going out to some modern in house/stadium PA). AKA; more than today's crowds would usually tolerate. I mean, you know; not to damage anyone's hearing.
And adding good power attenuation boxes; ones that do not change the famous tone, on original, classic (gain) amps is expensive. You may want a Marshall DSL (40W?) model combo or similar head.
15W tube is like 50W on non-tube amps and not a volume indicator. 100W is not twice a 50W in its volume. Thus 15W is not half 30W (in volume noticed).
EL84 amps are the lower wattage same as the EL34 high watt tube by in large. Not that tube type where you look for tone changes. Again it's the guitar speaker (or DSP/EQ/IR emulation).
2. Many tests are invalid, even when seeming well controlled; because a different volume/efficiencies changes other things like EQ and gain crunch. Plus the volume *and* gain setting would then have to be matched (and by ear); negating difference anyway. Leaving the same knob settings actually negates the comparison as truly fair. It's not an equal test. Because the "same" tone changes at different volumes. What all that means is some minor and actually noticed "real" differences are not really a difference (not equal test) and it was already splitting hairs. It's the speaker that needs your best selection for tone (or FRFR).
I find a classic mid range guitar speaker is ideal for tubes and digital, emulating boxes in combination; for guitar. Even though a do all FRFR (Full-er Range limts, full-er tone Response curve), power amped speaker could then also be a KB or bass speaker; if it has those needed ranges. Most find them too expensive and not preferred; but it depends. They are not the pre-amp or emulator+ (main tone originator, like gain) anyway.
So volume/efficiency changes things. Invalidating most tests.
Translation, turn your EQ and/or FX box knobs and/or change the speaker to effect much MORE changes and get the one you need.