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Subwoofers are power hogs and the bigger the driver, the more power they need. Most people don't understand that speaker power is logarithmic, which means you need large increases in power for small increases in volume. In this example, 1200W is only slightly louder than 600W, and moderately louder than 300W.
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I like Elac but will never buy a powered speaker that relies on an app to change settings. It's one "end of support" announcement away from bricking your speaker's functionality.
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EagerCorn513
05-18-2023 at 11:01 AM.
05-18-2023 at 11:01 AM.
Quote from wysiwyg1652 :
Has anyone actually heard the RS-700? I'm looking to understand how it compares with the SVS SB-3000 for music
Same would love to hear from someone that has experience with these speakers vs SVS esp the Sb-3000
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poormanq45
05-18-2023 at 07:10 PM.
05-18-2023 at 07:10 PM.
Quote from TJake :
Someone who wants high output at low frequencies with a quick transient response. 600W per 12" driver is not atypical for a sealed subwoofer.

Oversized ported is where it's at though. My 15" titanic in an 8ft^3 box tuned to 14hz only has 370w rms available and it'll move some significant air!
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xtp
05-18-2023 at 07:42 PM.
05-18-2023 at 07:42 PM.
Quote from wysiwyg1652 :
Has anyone actually heard the RS-700? I'm looking to understand how it compares with the SVS SB-3000 for music
We are extremely insensitive at those frequencies, you're not going to hear the difference in distortion, the difference will come down to mainly the impact of the room and placement ontop of slightly different response curves.

Slow bass is usually just too loud bass, or there's a hump that makes 60-80hz part too loud, and the tail not loud enough.

If you drive them to crazy loud levels, you might hear the amp clipping or cone bottoming, but this is not a real use case, since these aren't stage products.
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agentsteve
05-18-2023 at 07:55 PM.
05-18-2023 at 07:55 PM.
Quote from SeabassTheGr899 :
My Monolith M-215s are 2000W (3600W peak) 😆. I wonder how they compare to these 12 inch models for music. I feel like the Monoliths are kind of lackluster in that department. They're more so made for ULF in movies

How exactly do they pull more continuous power than your wall outlet can (safely) provide? And that's assuming 100% efficiency too.
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05-18-2023 at 09:03 PM.

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05-18-2023 at 09:03 PM.
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How exactly do they pull more continuous power than your wall outlet can (safely) provide? And that's assuming 100% efficiency too.

I think the assumption is that it would go on its own 20a circuit which is separate from your other gear. Ultimately, you need to be aware of the electrical draw of ALL of your AV equipment and plan accordingly.
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sumthin_gud
05-19-2023 at 05:23 AM.
05-19-2023 at 05:23 AM.
Quote from air_towel :
I like Elac but will never buy a powered speaker that relies on an app to change settings. It's one "end of support" announcement away from bricking your speaker's functionality.

Why don't people understand the same about Sonos lmao I don't understand!!!
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wysiwyg1652
05-19-2023 at 09:50 AM.
05-19-2023 at 09:50 AM.
Quote from xtp :
We are extremely insensitive at those frequencies, you're not going to hear the difference in distortion, the difference will come down to mainly the impact of the room and placement ontop of slightly different response curves.

Slow bass is usually just too loud bass, or there's a hump that makes 60-80hz part too loud, and the tail not loud enough.

If you drive them to crazy loud levels, you might hear the amp clipping or cone bottoming, but this is not a real use case, since these aren't stage products.

Respectfully disagree. A good subwoofer needs to have an accurate transient response in addition to near linear response down to 20 Hz for music. The lowest note on a Double Bass is 42 Hz and there are drums that utilize that frequency range as well. I use Audyssey XT32 for room correction with a single SVS SB-3000. The system sounds great and I was debating whether to get an ELAC RS700 and move the SVS subwoofer to my HT. I suspect that the RS700 is likely pretty good especially at $800, but there is almost no information available on them. ELAC does not disclose the spec limits for the frequency range (though this can be auto corrected for) + the potential headache of returning the subwoofer to Adorama are going to make me pass for now
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sav
05-19-2023 at 10:19 AM.
05-19-2023 at 10:19 AM.
I'd rather buy a speaker with a full range and decent crossover than getting a sub.
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RVikramR
05-19-2023 at 10:47 AM.
05-19-2023 at 10:47 AM.
Quote from sumthin_gud :
Why don't people understand the same about Sonos lmao I don't understand!!!
and the SVS subs? I see some value in being able to use software to tune the sound from your chair to suit you/room but +$200 for it!
Like apart from components upgrade is it really worth getting the PB1000 pro over just the PB1000 for example?
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Tumblew33d
05-19-2023 at 11:16 AM.
05-19-2023 at 11:16 AM.
Quote from RVikramR :
and the SVS subs? I see some value in being able to use software to tune the sound from your chair to suit you/room but +$200 for it!
Like apart from components upgrade is it really worth getting the PB1000 pro over just the PB1000 for example?
I just bought 2 SVS PB1000 less than a month ago and paid them with ELAC bookshelf speakers and center. I'm blown away by the SVS subs. Shakes my entire house.
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kdn102
05-19-2023 at 12:19 PM.
05-19-2023 at 12:19 PM.
For being a front page deal, I'm not seeing anything convincing so far that these are worth the price.

I'm in the market for a sub or two. Are these worth the price or should I wait for something better to go on sale?

I do have a sub, so I have time to wait.

Thanks ahead of time for any feedback!
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wysiwyg1652
05-19-2023 at 09:48 PM.
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Quote from sav :
I'd rather buy a speaker with a full range and decent crossover than getting a sub.

Very few "full range" speakers cover the entire audible frequency range. You would need an enclosure the size of a small refrigerator + an amp that can drive the built-in subwoofer. Passive speakers that cover the audible frequency range cost > $100K and weigh more than 500 lbs
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05-19-2023 at 10:52 PM.
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Quote from wysiwyg1652 :
Very few "full range" speakers cover the entire audible frequency range. You would need an enclosure the size of a small refrigerator + an amp that can drive the built-in subwoofer. Passive speakers that cover the audible frequency range cost > $100K and weigh more than 500 lbs
Exaggerate much? LOL.
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Modenacart
05-20-2023 at 12:29 PM.
05-20-2023 at 12:29 PM.
Quote from LaughinGass :
Exaggerate much? LOL.

If you are going to accuse someone of exaggerating, you should link an example to prove it.
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pfukjobydn
05-21-2023 at 02:11 AM.
05-21-2023 at 02:11 AM.
Quote from wysiwyg1652 :
Very few "full range" speakers cover the entire audible frequency range. You would need an enclosure the size of a small refrigerator + an amp that can drive the built-in subwoofer. Passive speakers that cover the audible frequency range cost > $100K and weigh more than 500 lbs
That's the dumbest thing I've read here since, well, the last audio thread.
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