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PSA: Analogue duo preorders are live! (Turbo-Grafx 16 PC Engine FPGA system) $250 + shipping

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Just a heads up for the niche target audience that may be interested....Analogue Duo [analogue.co] preorders are live. Supposedly they'll ship in 2023. $250 + shipping + tax. Was $300 for me in MA.

For those of you who don't know, it's a FPGA-powered Turbo Grafx-16/PC-Engine. It is not an emulator -- you need to have actual cartridges to play (or CDs, as this includes the SuperCD add-on), but this will make the games display at 1080p and play on modern TVs. It can utilize bluetooth controllers or OG controllers and accessories. Also, it does not support openFPGA. (But if you know what that means, you likely already know this.)

These niche products tend to turn into collectibles that require people to pay high prices if they don't order upon production. For example, the emulation-based TG16 mini that launched for $100 a few years ago is now 3x-4x that price on the internet shopping sites of your choosing. So while this is technically retail price, if you're interested, patience may not be rewarded.

It comes in both North America (black) and Japan (white) color options. TG16 FTW!
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Created 05-19-2023 at 11:15 AM by bonkman
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WittySeagull3614
05-19-2023 at 11:18 AM.
05-19-2023 at 11:18 AM.
Be aware that there is no OpenFPGA support. This will be a dealbreaker for some.
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CharlesBarkley
05-19-2023 at 11:24 AM.
05-19-2023 at 11:24 AM.
Quote from WittySeagull3614 :
Be aware that there is no OpenFPGA support. This will be a dealbreaker for some.

That's the reason I ignored it
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05-19-2023 at 11:41 AM.
05-19-2023 at 11:41 AM.
Quote from WittySeagull3614 :
Be aware that there is no OpenFPGA support. This will be a dealbreaker for some.
Yes. If you are looking to mod this into something that can play other systems besides TG16/PC-E, these are not the droids you are looking for. I updated the OP to reflect this.

It will have Analog OS. But there's no way that you care about that without knowing what this is in the first place. But it's a nice bit of info if you're just learning about this product.
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WittySeagull3614
05-19-2023 at 11:48 AM.
05-19-2023 at 11:48 AM.
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Yes. If you are looking to mod this into something that can play other systems besides TG16/PC-E, these are not the droids you are looking for. I updated the OP to reflect this.

It will have Analog OS. But there's no way that you care about that without knowing what this is in the first place. But it's a nice bit of info if you're just learning about this product.

That is not the whole story. No OpenFPGA, no guaranteed jailbreak. No jailbreak, no ability for the community to improve upon the core. It's a d*ck move on their part.
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05-19-2023 at 04:01 PM.
05-19-2023 at 04:01 PM.
Quote from WittySeagull3614 :
That is not the whole story. No OpenFPGA, no guaranteed jailbreak. No jailbreak, no ability for the community to improve upon the core. It's a d*ck move on their part.
That's an odd claim to me. Are Sony, Nintendo, and Xbox pulling d*ck moves by not making their consoles open source?
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05-19-2023 at 04:17 PM.
05-19-2023 at 04:17 PM.
My parents worked hard to afford to get me a Turbo GFX16 but I really just wanted a Sega Genesis. I did enjoy Bonk's Adventure and Splatter House but....nostalgia only goes so far. Thanks OP
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WittySeagull3614
05-19-2023 at 05:35 PM.
05-19-2023 at 05:35 PM.
Edit. Double post.
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WittySeagull3614
05-19-2023 at 05:36 PM.
05-19-2023 at 05:36 PM.
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That's an odd claim to me. Are Sony, Nintendo, and Xbox pulling d*ck moves by not making their consoles open source?

Um, has Analogue paid any royalties to SNK to build this hardware? No? My position is not off base as there is a double standard here.

Edit: Meant to say NEC and not SNK. Bonkman corrected me on this goof below.
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05-19-2023 at 06:06 PM.
05-19-2023 at 06:06 PM.
Quote from WittySeagull3614 :
Um, has Analogue paid any royalties to SNK to build this hardware? No? My position is not off base as there is a double standard here.
I don't think NEC or Hudsonsoft owns the rights to anything TG16/PC-E. Konami did the TG Mini but I doubt this has any relevance to that, as it's not using TG16 iconography or name. They made an FPGA core that can play TG16/PC-E games. Why should they allow people to mess with that? And how is that different from Sony making a new chip that allows people to play PS5 games and not allowing people to mess with that? I mean, I understand that they've done that with Pocket, so I get why the expectation is there -- don't get me wrong about that. But I don't understand why they need to incorporate it into every one of their products, much less the sentiment that they should so that people can improve their product.

And, of course, the elephant in the room is that they don't want to open up the possibility of legal action if they make it so that people can pirate games. Duo has an SD card slot which obviously means people will try to throw ROMs onto it and bypass cartridges. That can lead them into a legal fight that they don't want to be a part of. I know Pocket was jailbroken almost immediately after it got openFPGA last year.
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